A new low for the NZ Justice System
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A new low for the NZ Justice System
Unbelievable.
A sex pest/child groomer spared a conviction so he can become a pilot. Hopefully this still shows up on his fit and proper check.
No conviction for sex offender wanting to become a pilot.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=12440568
A sex pest/child groomer spared a conviction so he can become a pilot. Hopefully this still shows up on his fit and proper check.
No conviction for sex offender wanting to become a pilot.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=12440568
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I think the Judge should have some skin in the game - eg if the person re-offends the Judge gets demoted to a lower court, or some such.
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Having spent time working in the legal system, I can understand that a conviction is not always a good thing. If a conviction means that you can’t get a decent job for the rest of your life, it will mean that the chances of reoffending or escalation of the crime type are far more likely. It’s a vicious cycle really. Many career paths need a clean criminal record check. The fact that he has a supporting family has has completed the community work etc is a good thing.
The downside is that there is still a victim of the crime, however whether or not the offender is convicted won’t change the outcome for the victim.
In this case, a suspended sentence with no conviction would probably be the best course of action, however it’s not possible. There aren’t many other options that will please the public and the victim in the longer term.
The downside is that there is still a victim of the crime, however whether or not the offender is convicted won’t change the outcome for the victim.
In this case, a suspended sentence with no conviction would probably be the best course of action, however it’s not possible. There aren’t many other options that will please the public and the victim in the longer term.
The law is an ass, period. What about the poor victims and how has has destroyed their lives, to a large or lesser degree.
Most of the judges are totally out of touch with reality. God is the real judge, as mankind is totally fallible, therefore a lot of decisions are seriously flawed. So well demonstrated in this case.
As for name suppression, it seems to be fashionable now in NZ.
Most of the judges are totally out of touch with reality. God is the real judge, as mankind is totally fallible, therefore a lot of decisions are seriously flawed. So well demonstrated in this case.
As for name suppression, it seems to be fashionable now in NZ.
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Having spent time working in the legal system, I can understand that a conviction is not always a good thing. If a conviction means that you can’t get a decent job for the rest of your life, it will mean that the chances of reoffending or escalation of the crime type are far more likely. It’s a vicious cycle really. Many career paths need a clean criminal record check. The fact that he has a supporting family has has completed the community work etc is a good thing.
The downside is that there is still a victim of the crime, however whether or not the offender is convicted won’t change the outcome for the victim.
In this case, a suspended sentence with no conviction would probably be the best course of action, however it’s not possible. There aren’t many other options that will please the public and the victim in the longer term.
The downside is that there is still a victim of the crime, however whether or not the offender is convicted won’t change the outcome for the victim.
In this case, a suspended sentence with no conviction would probably be the best course of action, however it’s not possible. There aren’t many other options that will please the public and the victim in the longer term.
Having spent time working in the legal system, I can understand that a conviction is not always a good thing. If a conviction means that you can’t get a decent job for the rest of your life, it will mean that the chances of reoffending or escalation of the crime type are far more likely. It’s a vicious cycle really. Many career paths need a clean criminal record check. The fact that he has a supporting family has has completed the community work etc is a good thing.
The downside is that there is still a victim of the crime, however whether or not the offender is convicted won’t change the outcome for the victim.
In this case, a suspended sentence with no conviction would probably be the best course of action, however it’s not possible. There aren’t many other options that will please the public and the victim in the longer term.
The downside is that there is still a victim of the crime, however whether or not the offender is convicted won’t change the outcome for the victim.
In this case, a suspended sentence with no conviction would probably be the best course of action, however it’s not possible. There aren’t many other options that will please the public and the victim in the longer term.
Very simple think before you act or do the crime and do the time!
What would the lawyers say should I be the CP and ‘find out’ about such events, then sack him?
Probably something along the lines of "so you fired someone for something they were not convicted for, and for matters where their identity was suppressed by the courts in relation to those allegations. How many hundreds of thousands of dollars can you scrape together by tomorrow morning for the compensation payout?"
Well ,yes but...
If I understood this report correctly the offender is 20 now but was 17 when the offences took place in 2018. They were basically the swapping of nude photos. Probably 40% of teenagers do this. The threat to share them makes it more serious, of course.
How far do we take this 'never forget, never forgive' business? I know of someone who was not able to stand for election as a police commissioner in his sixties because when he was 14 he was prosecuted for trespassing on the railway.
How far do we take this 'never forget, never forgive' business? I know of someone who was not able to stand for election as a police commissioner in his sixties because when he was 14 he was prosecuted for trespassing on the railway.
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If I understood this report correctly the offender is 20 now but was 17 when the offences took place in 2018. They were basically the swapping of nude photos. Probably 40% of teenagers do this. The threat to share them makes it more serious, of course.
How far do we take this 'never forget, never forgive' business? I know of someone who was not able to stand for election as a police commissioner in his sixties because when he was 14 he was prosecuted for trespassing on the railway.
How far do we take this 'never forget, never forgive' business? I know of someone who was not able to stand for election as a police commissioner in his sixties because when he was 14 he was prosecuted for trespassing on the railway.
And you seem to gloss over the sexual assault on a 14 yr old boy by summing this up as “basically the swapping of nude photos”.
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That’s the attitude though is it? Try migrate? Maybe the sex offender should try and migrate, do his flight training in Pakistan and try that shenanigans over there.
It’s not the first slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket, no. Usually it’s sports players beating up there missus or drink driving but getting spared a conviction so they can carry on their career.
That’s the attitude though is it? Try migrate? Maybe the sex offender should try and migrate, do his flight training in Pakistan and try that shenanigans over there.
That’s the attitude though is it? Try migrate? Maybe the sex offender should try and migrate, do his flight training in Pakistan and try that shenanigans over there.
Where in that article does it say the offender wants to be a pilot? "Chosen future career" is non-specific. Was there something else disclosed/published that indicated his career choice?
As for the penalty of paying $2500 to each victim, I imagine that amount would buy a few hookers and not run the risk of having to plead guilty as a sex offender.
Does the beak appear to think otherwise with the cash settlement? 
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As for the penalty of paying $2500 to each victim, I imagine that amount would buy a few hookers and not run the risk of having to plead guilty as a sex offender.
whether or not the offender is convicted won’t change the outcome for the victim.
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Without knowing the actual circumstances of the case and both the victims and offenders it is impossible to come up with anything like a fair and balanced opinion of the judges actions.
Furthermore "digital justice", aka box ticking, is also disastrous for our societies. For example, a quick drunken kiss on New Years eve can result in you being permanently labelled a sex offender, in the list with rapists and kiddy fiddlers for ever. That is unjust, but that and similar travesties are happening every day, look no further than the "domestic violence" industry and its perversion of the AVO process.
Furthermore "digital justice", aka box ticking, is also disastrous for our societies. For example, a quick drunken kiss on New Years eve can result in you being permanently labelled a sex offender, in the list with rapists and kiddy fiddlers for ever. That is unjust, but that and similar travesties are happening every day, look no further than the "domestic violence" industry and its perversion of the AVO process.
Without knowing the actual circumstances of the case and both the victims and offenders it is impossible to come up with anything like a fair and balanced opinion of the judges actions.
Furthermore "digital justice", aka box ticking, is also disastrous for our societies. For example, a quick drunken kiss on New Years eve can result in you being permanently labelled a sex offender, in the list with rapists and kiddy fiddlers for ever. That is unjust, but that and similar travesties are happening every day, look no further than the "domestic violence" industry and its perversion of the AVO process.
Furthermore "digital justice", aka box ticking, is also disastrous for our societies. For example, a quick drunken kiss on New Years eve can result in you being permanently labelled a sex offender, in the list with rapists and kiddy fiddlers for ever. That is unjust, but that and similar travesties are happening every day, look no further than the "domestic violence" industry and its perversion of the AVO process.
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As far as penalty or not that is and should be up to the Judgel. As far as conviction it is a matter of applying the Law......and if the does not like the law he should lobby the parliament to change it.
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Where in that article does it say the offender wants to be a pilot? "Chosen future career" is non-specific. Was there something else disclosed/published that indicated his career choice?
As for the penalty of paying $2500 to each victim, I imagine that amount would buy a few hookers and not run the risk of having to plead guilty as a sex offender.
Does the beak appear to think otherwise with the cash settlement?.
As for the penalty of paying $2500 to each victim, I imagine that amount would buy a few hookers and not run the risk of having to plead guilty as a sex offender.
Does the beak appear to think otherwise with the cash settlement?
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