A new low for the NZ Justice System
If a conviction means that you can’t get a decent job for the rest of your life, it will mean that the chances of reoffending or escalation of the crime type are far more likely
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On a similar note, in the case below I would question whether this individual is suited to employment for a driving role given his 'mistakes'. It doesn't mean he can't do anything with his life but certain events should have consequences. If he was to plough through a vehicle, driving a truck under the influence in 10 years time and I lost family members, the fact that there were warning signs 'hidden' from his employer would make it even harder to take.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...pes-conviction
Did you ever make a mistake when you were 17? Did you actually realise what it would mean to make a mistake and destroy your career prospects for the rest of your life?
Once might be a “mistake” (with the emphasis on “might”) but three times, as per the article, is deliberate, intentional and perhaps, even, premeditated. The victims have to live with that for the rest of their lives but old mate pays his $5000, has his name suppressed and gets on with life as though not much happened. Justice, amongst other things, encompasses accountability but I see little of that here.
It seems to me that "my career will be ruined" is a convenient ploy to avoid proper accountability. If a defendant didn't plead that a career was at stake, having committed a similar offence, would they get off so lightly?
Would you have the same generous attitude if it was your child that had been sexually assaulted? I’d be surprised if you were.
Once might be a “mistake” (with the emphasis on “might”) but three times, as per the article, is deliberate, intentional and perhaps, even, premeditated. The victims have to live with that for the rest of their lives but old mate pays his $5000, has his name suppressed and gets on with life as though not much happened. Justice, amongst other things, encompasses accountability but I see little of that here.
It seems to me that "my career will be ruined" is a convenient ploy to avoid proper accountability. If a defendant didn't plead that a career was at stake, having committed a similar offence, would they get off so lightly?
Once might be a “mistake” (with the emphasis on “might”) but three times, as per the article, is deliberate, intentional and perhaps, even, premeditated. The victims have to live with that for the rest of their lives but old mate pays his $5000, has his name suppressed and gets on with life as though not much happened. Justice, amongst other things, encompasses accountability but I see little of that here.
It seems to me that "my career will be ruined" is a convenient ploy to avoid proper accountability. If a defendant didn't plead that a career was at stake, having committed a similar offence, would they get off so lightly?
If you lock him up now, he will statistically be more likely to offend again later and more severely.
There’s a lot of criminals in this world and multiple in your street, but what you don’t know, won’t hurt you. It’s just the sad reality of this world. You can’t lock everyone up as we can’t afford to fund the prisons. Then if we do, they will start manufacturing products and put legitimate businesses out of business and the cycle continues.
I have children, but I also have an intimate knowledge and experience within the justice system (not as a crook), so I understand why things happen the way that they do.
I wasn't advocating to lock him up, not necessary. I said accountability and that could have been achieved with a conviction. No gaol time would dispense with the expense you're concerned with. He did, after all, plead guilty to 5 serious charges.
they will start manufacturing products and put legitimate businesses out of business and the cycle continues.
My local prison for starters, started manufacturing horse rugs and other accessories and put two out of three local saddleries out of business. Many sre
of course a privately run business of course!
If you knew what was manufactured in the prison system you would understand and it’s not just number plates and stamp glue!
I digress, this is in no way related to aviation.
of course a privately run business of course!
If you knew what was manufactured in the prison system you would understand and it’s not just number plates and stamp glue!
I digress, this is in no way related to aviation.
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+1 to Squawk.
kitchen Bench, you have no idea of the intimate details of the case, nor do you have any idea of the consequences of a conviction.
It's uninformed attitudes like yours and the tabloid press that feeds you these ideas that does so much damage to society.
Principle #1 - Equal sentences do not produce equal justice. That is why mandatory sentencing is such a disaster.
Principle #2 - In the digital age with a binary decision making system, there is no room for "Yes, but" - extenuating circumstances don't fit the decision making systems these days. Once you are labelled a sex offender for example , there is no difference to the system whether you are a violent rapist or someone caught having a pee behind a tree.
Judges hate people with rigid attitudes suchas yours and the press who feed you. What now happens in some cases is that the judge and jury and even the prosecution have to tie themselves in knots to try and deliver a just outcome despite a rigid and uncompromising inflexible system. That often means that people are NOT convicted of what they should be but instead get a lesser charge that produces a more just result.
If a policeman has ever "dropped' a few KMH from your speeding ticket for you being cooperative, you have just experienced the above.
kitchen Bench, you have no idea of the intimate details of the case, nor do you have any idea of the consequences of a conviction.
It's uninformed attitudes like yours and the tabloid press that feeds you these ideas that does so much damage to society.
Principle #1 - Equal sentences do not produce equal justice. That is why mandatory sentencing is such a disaster.
Principle #2 - In the digital age with a binary decision making system, there is no room for "Yes, but" - extenuating circumstances don't fit the decision making systems these days. Once you are labelled a sex offender for example , there is no difference to the system whether you are a violent rapist or someone caught having a pee behind a tree.
Judges hate people with rigid attitudes suchas yours and the press who feed you. What now happens in some cases is that the judge and jury and even the prosecution have to tie themselves in knots to try and deliver a just outcome despite a rigid and uncompromising inflexible system. That often means that people are NOT convicted of what they should be but instead get a lesser charge that produces a more just result.
If a policeman has ever "dropped' a few KMH from your speeding ticket for you being cooperative, you have just experienced the above.
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put two out of three local saddleries out of business
If you knew what was manufactured in the prison system you would understand
https://www.corrections.sa.gov.au/pr...and-items-made
