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"If someone think as woman is employed in aviation simply because they are a woman, they need to take a look at themselves. It’s way harder for females."
If you think it's "way harder for females" I think you're probably the one that needs to open your eyes and take a look around at how much of a hand you get with 50/50 quotas. Maybe she did get the job out of 11 males because she was the best, but it didn't seem like it was "way harder for her" to get a job...
If you think it's "way harder for females" I think you're probably the one that needs to open your eyes and take a look around at how much of a hand you get with 50/50 quotas. Maybe she did get the job out of 11 males because she was the best, but it didn't seem like it was "way harder for her" to get a job...
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If you think it's "way harder for females" I think you're probably the one that needs to open your eyes and take a look around at how much of a hand you get with 50/50 quotas.
I' ve been employed in aviation for over 30 years and it has never been way harder for females in my experience to get the job, what is different is having to put up with stupid sexist remarks from people who think it is because we are all slags who did someone a favour because we get a job that they thought they were entitled to....
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Also in saying that I'll also say quite clearly that Women in Aviation often do have it more difficult, I have very good friends that are some of the most capable Aviators I've had the pleasure to meet that have been kept down and forced to work harder and to more ridiculous standards than their Male counterparts simply because there are still those at the top who still have the "Boys Club" attitude. As others have said, your gender SHOULD be completely irrelevant to whether you can do the job or not and whether you get the job or not but the fact is that there are a lot of those at the top of the food chain that make these decisions who don't look at it this way so here we are. I'd implore anyone involved in Check and Training that sees any attitudes like this to call it out because it isn't happening enough right now. I've heard plenty of stories of trainees being failed by a checky only to have the next one not understand why they failed them at all except for the fact that they actually do know why but don't speak up on it.
I'll also say I've seen the opposite side with some Women approaching Aviation with a giant chip on their shoulder born of no real experience/reason that makes them very difficult to work with and is the reason they don't progress as fast as others but they'll play the Woman card as the reason why when we all know that isn't true. Don't be this person either, the fact is I believe that myself and the vast majority of my male counterparts want to see you succeed on your own merits as much as you do.
All this to say that gender shouldn't matter, but it still does make a difference and we should all be making sure that any capable Aviator is never restricted from progressing due to crappy attitudes from those making these decisions. Those that already know this will know, those that don't will hopefully read this and be a bit more on the lookout for it in the future and willing to do something about it.
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Do you honestly believe its because of some oppressive sexist culture that exists and that all men are out there to hold you back? Would that be the same reason you don’t see many males in nursing roles or do you have another theory for that exact same scenario of a position with varying amounts of male / female ratios..
Stop being a professional victim. No one cares you’re a woman. Men aren’t out to hold you back. Nothing will stop you from getting to where you want to be if you’re capable and work hard at what you do. Everyone has had a gut full of the victim mentality and people throwing their toys out of the cot when they don’t get something by saying it’s because they’re a woman.
Stop being a professional victim. No one cares you’re a woman. Men aren’t out to hold you back. Nothing will stop you from getting to where you want to be if you’re capable and work hard at what you do. Everyone has had a gut full of the victim mentality and people throwing their toys out of the cot when they don’t get something by saying it’s because they’re a woman.
I' ve been employed in aviation for over 30 years and it has never been way harder for females in my experience to get the job, what is different is having to put up with stupid sexist remarks from people who think it is because we are all slags who did someone a favour because we get a job that they thought they were entitled to....
When there’s an incident involving a female pilot I always hear “Quota hire/only got her job because of her gender” etc.
Whenever there’s an incident involving a male pilot I never hear the same comments, it’s always specific to that male pilot only and not indicative of all male pilots.
When was the last time you heard of a woman pilot getting rejected by an airline? I am curious as I don't know of any.
The fact that every female pilot I know has never got a rejection letter is proof either all women pilots are very gifted or airline HR depts are very biased towards recruiting women.
The fact that every female pilot I know has never got a rejection letter is proof either all women pilots are very gifted or airline HR depts are very biased towards recruiting women.
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Life is not fair and you make your own luck.
I think we should call upon our street sweeping qualified pilot to either get this thread out of the gutter or brush it down the drain.
I think we should call upon our street sweeping qualified pilot to either get this thread out of the gutter or brush it down the drain.
Then why are there so few women in aviation?
Why are there so few men in primary teaching?
I hate to become political, but I think I know of the certain female in question, she has a good work ethic and is indeed dedicated. With the way I remember her I find it hard to believe they gave her the job based on gender.
With male applicants vastly outnumbering female ones for pilot jobs, it is much more likely that a suitable female will find herself employed as the company can easily knock back 90% of male applicants but cannot knock back female ones at the same rate or they wouldn't have any women pilots.
An operator with a 100% male pilot group which had female pilots apply but had rejected them could face accusations of discrimination, and they know this, hence the acceptance rate for female applicants will be much higher than for males as they need to be represented in the workforce.
Better still, be an openly gay female from an ethnic minority, speaking English as a second language and have a disability. It ticks more boxes than an aeronautical engineering degree and experience as a military test pilot.
An operator with a 100% male pilot group which had female pilots apply but had rejected them could face accusations of discrimination, and they know this, hence the acceptance rate for female applicants will be much higher than for males as they need to be represented in the workforce.
Better still, be an openly gay female from an ethnic minority, speaking English as a second language and have a disability. It ticks more boxes than an aeronautical engineering degree and experience as a military test pilot.
Daddy daddy can I be a pilot like you?
Don't do it, it's full of salty guys who will get all butthurt when you get hired before then because of something you can't change.
Don't do it, it's full of salty guys who will get all butthurt when you get hired before then because of something you can't change.
When I was at a certain training facility there was an African lady, a lovely girl. She was doing well and the powers to be got wind of her coming through, she was tall, fit and attractive. They started taking photos of her, started making promotional videos around her, interviews and the like. It was shaping up to be the best PR activity and they loved it, but unfortunately she bombed out. I was never really sure why, she just wasn’t able to finish for some reason. Their marketing team went into crisis mode soon after as they had put so much effort and money into their new campaign. Serves them right for trying to cash in on her.
I don't know what you are all on about. Every time I go flying I hear plenty of woman involved in aviation on the radio. Its the voice of ATC!. Why? Probably it offers a more defined career path, job security and good pay. Even the cadet programs only attract a small percentage of female applicants usually around 5% which is about the ratio in most airlines. Despite the reality the job of pilot is still portrayed as one of glamour and respect. I don't see a push to have more females on the ramp yet there are plenty employed in the cabin cleaning role. Maybe airline recruiting is sexist but only in the less public roles.
It was shaping up to be the best PR activity and they loved it
We have some very attractive young ladies flying for us, who seem to feature quite heavily in any publicity released by the airline.