Torquay skydive ops
At the time I was there I was 99% certain that the aircraft was not operating under the IFR, hence my question.
If they sometimes do, then fair enough, I now know that and I guess that’s good for safety, however on this occasion, conditions were IMC and clearances for IFR were not being issued as far as I could ascertain.
This all comes down to the pilot as to whether or not they decide at the time that conditions are VMC and or if they will punch through because it’s “not that thick.”
As for the suggestion that at Point Ormond they are climbing and descending through IMC under VFR does sound somewhat concerning, if that is in fact taking place.
If they sometimes do, then fair enough, I now know that and I guess that’s good for safety, however on this occasion, conditions were IMC and clearances for IFR were not being issued as far as I could ascertain.
This all comes down to the pilot as to whether or not they decide at the time that conditions are VMC and or if they will punch through because it’s “not that thick.”
As for the suggestion that at Point Ormond they are climbing and descending through IMC under VFR does sound somewhat concerning, if that is in fact taking place.
I'm not privy to internal CASA material nor site specific parachuting manuals so you'll have to find that yourself.
AIP: ENR 5.5, 2.1.1.c
c. the descent is able to be made in meteorological conditions where the target is clearly visible and the parachutist does notenter cloud, unless CASA specifies otherwise in writing;
AIP: ENR 5.5, 2.1.1.c
c. the descent is able to be made in meteorological conditions where the target is clearly visible and the parachutist does notenter cloud, unless CASA specifies otherwise in writing;
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In the UK outdoor sports activities aren't meant to reopen until the 29th March. So bit surprised anyone is actually skydiving. Is it just the aircraft being flown to keep them servicable?
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Australia is Covid free, we can do whatever we want now, we just have to wear a mask in the supermarket and if you’re a drug dealer, you can’t have more than 30 customers at your house in the one day. Otherwise, a few other limitations exists but most people wouldn’t be affect by them.
Is it just me or does it seem people are getting dumber by the day?
You've got someone from the UK thinking this Torquay is the one up there. Other 'professional' pilots not knowing the difference between IFR and IMC as well as not knowing when and for what a clearance is required. Get me a bucket.
You've got someone from the UK thinking this Torquay is the one up there. Other 'professional' pilots not knowing the difference between IFR and IMC as well as not knowing when and for what a clearance is required. Get me a bucket.
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Well, if allowed it would scare the hell out of me parachuting through solid cloud not knowing when you will be visual again
Parachutists don't hold an IFR rating to fly in IMC conditions or have suitable instruments except gravity to navigate and with these wing suit thingies they can travel a long way from where they left the aircraft, well outside they dedicated/allocated drop zone.
I just don't get it.
People have been jumping out of aeroplanes for years. I think they have it down to a reasonably fine art by now.
Governed by the Australian Parachute Federation. Their website is quite interesting, and there is a copy of their Regulation Manual for all to see... including the Chapter on Cloud Jumping!
Governed by the Australian Parachute Federation. Their website is quite interesting, and there is a copy of their Regulation Manual for all to see... including the Chapter on Cloud Jumping!
No...... I would have thought that it would be illegal for a parachutist to enter cloud and lose visibility with the drop zone just like it is for pilots losing visibility.
You can operate IFR without a ' clearance' if your OCTA as you stated earlier it was in Class G. To be honest, the only radio calls he wouldve been required to make were a taxi/ airborne report and a departure report. The rest ( descents, traffic etc) would all be associated with the cleared to drop radio calls.
Clearances have nothing to do with whether you can operate IFR... you dont need ATC permission to be IFR. RPT aircraft can operate OCTA in IMC under the IFR without a clearance (and I have on several occasions), exactly the same as any other aircraft. Clearances are only required INSIDE controlled airspace, they have nothing to do with the rules you operate under - what changes is the service ATC provide (traffic information, etc).
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No...... I would have thought that it would be illegal for a parachutist to enter cloud and lose visibility with the drop zone just like it is for pilots losing visibility.
Parachutists don't hold an IFR rating to fly in IMC conditions or have suitable instruments except gravity to navigate and with these wing suit thingies they can travel a long way from where they left the aircraft, well outside they dedicated/allocated drop zone.
I just don't get it.
Parachutists don't hold an IFR rating to fly in IMC conditions or have suitable instruments except gravity to navigate and with these wing suit thingies they can travel a long way from where they left the aircraft, well outside they dedicated/allocated drop zone.
I just don't get it.
IFR rating for freefall through cloud without instruments - you're joking right? What do you think the slipstream generated by freefall is telling you?
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Genuine question....
They were dropping through solid 8/8’s which is as far as I know legit, but what about the 208? I heard plenty of CTAF calls and drop and descent clearances, but no talk of IFR clearance. Cloud was solid 8/8 at 4,000ft and at least 500ft thick.
Am I missing something about how the operation works with regards to clearances?
They were dropping through solid 8/8’s which is as far as I know legit, but what about the 208? I heard plenty of CTAF calls and drop and descent clearances, but no talk of IFR clearance. Cloud was solid 8/8 at 4,000ft and at least 500ft thick.
Am I missing something about how the operation works with regards to clearances?
If it’s the same date as your post, i.e. 1st of March, then I can assure you that it wasn’t 8/8ths cover!
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Wasn’t the 1st, I don’t fly on Mondays.
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Genuine question....
They were dropping through solid 8/8’s which is as far as I know legit, but what about the 208? I heard plenty of CTAF calls and drop and descent clearances, but no talk of IFR clearance. Cloud was solid 8/8 at 4,000ft and at least 500ft thick.
Am I missing something about how the operation works with regards to clearances?
They were dropping through solid 8/8’s which is as far as I know legit, but what about the 208? I heard plenty of CTAF calls and drop and descent clearances, but no talk of IFR clearance. Cloud was solid 8/8 at 4,000ft and at least 500ft thick.
Am I missing something about how the operation works with regards to clearances?
.Yes its all legit. VH-MMV is IFR capable and I can 100% assure you that on the day you are talking about it would've been operating IFR. It was either myself or the other guy flying. I would have had a code that I was using all day and would have just been letting Centre know I was airborne and what level I was climbing.
As for the skydivers they operate under a Cloud Jumping Manual which is specific for each drop zone and is approved by CASA.
There is no way I would be VFR punching through it. I need those actual IF hours!
