Airservices Class E changes
Thread Starter
AVSEF, where are you?
Class E wouldn't be so bad if Airservices actually provided some approach controlling; it doesn't, of course (as we have seen at Coffs) and all this will mean will be ground and airborne delays waiting for the other IFR to clear the area, all the while fighting on the CTAF (eg Sunshine Coast A320).
The only good part of this is that VFR will require a transponder unless they are in the weeds. In fact, if it's deemed that IFR must have E to improve safety, then it's high time that ALL aircraft, regardless of airspace type, mixing it with RPT have a transponder for TCAS.
Class E wouldn't be so bad if Airservices actually provided some approach controlling; it doesn't, of course (as we have seen at Coffs) and all this will mean will be ground and airborne delays waiting for the other IFR to clear the area, all the while fighting on the CTAF (eg Sunshine Coast A320).
The only good part of this is that VFR will require a transponder unless they are in the weeds. In fact, if it's deemed that IFR must have E to improve safety, then it's high time that ALL aircraft, regardless of airspace type, mixing it with RPT have a transponder for TCAS.
So does this mean all VFR aircraft in the Eastern States will require a transponder and radio if not already fitted? At least if they wish to fly above 1500 AGL.
Why not add to the fun by requiring a special Class E endorsement?
Why not add to the fun by requiring a special Class E endorsement?
The time is rapidly approaching for everyone to have ADSB. Is that a bad thing? Cost aside, probably not.
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Sydney
Posts: 111
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Not being able to operate clear of cloud beneath 3000qnh in class e would be the biggest barrier for me right now. I've used that clear of cloud minima to get out of some murky situations...
I think 1500ft is too low. 3000ft would be more preferable so that VFR aircrafts could follow recommended flying levels when flying easterly at 1500ft and westerly at 2500ft.
The photo from airservices pdf brochure is not fair showing 1500ft like 1/3 of the total airspace..
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Australia
Posts: 4,956
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Remember it was Dick Smith, when he was Chairman of CASA, who negotiated an agreement with the general aviation organisations (including AOPA) to mandate transponders in Class E. This was accepted by the GA organisations because it would give them the freedom to fly over Class D airports in Class E without a clearance.
The transponder mandate was introduced with Class E over D, but when Airservices reversed the Class E over D and replaced it with Class C, they left in the transponder mandate. It was an irreversible path towards more costs and more restrictions.
Tootle pip!!
The transponder mandate was introduced with Class E over D, but when Airservices reversed the Class E over D and replaced it with Class C, they left in the transponder mandate. It was an irreversible path towards more costs and more restrictions.
Tootle pip!!
Rumours of his PPRuNe demise were exaggerated. Is this a temporary visit?
Easy: You just put in DAH and on charts: E LL 1500 AGL. What could possibly go wrong?
ADSB is a good thing, so don’t suggest it’s a burden at $900 per aircraft for private operators.
If bringing down class E to a lower level where ATC will better be able to see myself and other traffic, then I’m all for it, aren’t you?
When I fly, I get excellent service in class E airspace, especially with ASDB-Out, as I’ll randomly get a call from ATC telling me about an impending near-death experience... how can that ever be a bad thing? !!!
Long gone will be the never ending calls..
”Unidentified aircraft 20 miles east of Temora at 7,500ft north east bound, do you copy, you are about to pass another unidentified aircraft at your 3 o’clock on climb from 7,200ft unverified, please acknowledge.”
HA HA HA....."Your Safety Will Be Enhanced And It WILL COST YOU LESS".....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(The devil made me do it....honestly......)
(Tks again Dick for ......)
(The devil made me do it....honestly......)
(Tks again Dick for ......)
Originally Posted by Squawk
If everyone had ADSB we would all be able to see each other and not rely on a stretched ATC !
If ATC are going to be stretched then ASA should put on more controllers. Oh ,wait...
Originally Posted by Griffo
(Tks again Dick for ......)
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Way north
Age: 46
Posts: 497
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I woke with a start this morning, as a consequence of a funny smell.
Dick Smith is active again about airspace arrangements and infrastructure, as a consequence of the release of the Mooney report....
Airservices releases a proposal about more E airspace...
Sniff, sniff...
What is that I’m smelling? I’m sure I’ve smelt it before in similar circumstances...
That’s it: An early election!
(Senior Advisor: “Hey Jason, we need something to keep Dick Smith distracted and on side for a couple of months.” Jason: “Leave it with me. I have just the thing.”)
Dick Smith is active again about airspace arrangements and infrastructure, as a consequence of the release of the Mooney report....
Airservices releases a proposal about more E airspace...
Sniff, sniff...
What is that I’m smelling? I’m sure I’ve smelt it before in similar circumstances...
That’s it: An early election!
(Senior Advisor: “Hey Jason, we need something to keep Dick Smith distracted and on side for a couple of months.” Jason: “Leave it with me. I have just the thing.”)
