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Old 24th Dec 2020, 06:56
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Originally Posted by Ixixly View Post
That's a very definitive answer there, can you please quote the part in the CAA where "Flight" is so clearly defined as I'm struggling to locate it myself?
Jeez Ix. I quoted the bloody thing in this thread, at #8.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 07:06
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And.....

My last log book (issued by CASA) has the following inside the front cover:

PILOTS LOG BOOK - GENERAL GUIDANCE

6. The following definitions are applicable to maintenance of log books:
a. 'Flight Time' means, in the case of a heaver-than-air aircraft, the total time from when the aircraft first moves
under it's own power for the purpose of a flight until the moment at which it comes to rest on completion of the flight.
This is synonymous with 'chock to chock', 'block to block' or 'push back to block' time.

Note 2: Pilot 'flight time' is not to be confused with aircraft 'time-in-service.

Simple!
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 07:09
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Ixixly, you'll find it on page #12 of the CAR's
flight time means:

(a) in the case of a heavier-than-air aircraft—the total time from the moment at which the aircraft first moves under its own power for the purpose of taking-off until the moment at which it comes to rest after landing; and

(b) in the case of a lighter-than-air aircraft—the total time from the moment at which the aircraft first becomes airborne until it comes to rest on the ground, excluding any time during which the aircraft is moored.
Making it even easier for those challenged by basic research
I couldn't find it on the site you quote Mach, government sites are an impossibility, CASA not bad, ATSB hopeless.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 07:20
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Your copy of the CARs is out of date, megan.

Current CAA Act (with the definition of 'flight') here: https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2019C00320

Current CARs (with no definition of 'flight time') here: https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020C00784

Current CASRs (Volume 1 of 5) here: https://www.legislation.gov.au/Detai.../Html/Volume_1

Surely everyone's keeping up with every syllable of this stuff? It's about safety.

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Old 24th Dec 2020, 07:41
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
Your copy of the CARs is out of date, megan.

Current CAA Act (with the definition of 'flight') here: https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2019C00320

Curent CARs (with no defintion of 'flight time') here: https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020C00784

Current CASRs (Volume 1 of 5) here: https://www.legislation.gov.au/Detai.../Html/Volume_1

Surely everyone's keeping up with every syllable of this stuff? It's about safety.

And everyone knows (or should) that the CAA Act overrides the CARs and CASRs; so end of story - unless you get airborne no loggie 👍👍
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 07:50
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And everyone should also know that a 'note' in a mass-produced blank logbook, printed a few decades ago, overrides the CAA Act.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 08:35
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Obviously you guys donít know it Christmas, Iíve already had 6 XXXX cans buggers arenít that cold as the fridge is buggered although I can legally fix it without having to refer to Civil Aviation Act or regs.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 09:02
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did you intend the beer to be cold? and when you found it wasn't did you put it back and not drink it? If so does that count as drinking it?
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 09:14
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How can you legally fix it? Are you licensed? And it's not technically christmas until midnight.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 09:40
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Unlicensed to fix it if I require a license. Itís now fixed and Iím immune to drinking hot beer in Darwin when all else fail.

Should I make a logbook entry? Probably worth a thousand hours, or maybe two, what do you recon boyís? Might even put it on my CV and make it a discussion point on my next pilot interview, what do you recon Rex and Mach?🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 11:18
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If it's now fixed, was it broken in the first place?

Anyway, did you get the beer out intending to drink it? Or were you moving from the beer (broken) fridge to the working fridge?
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Old 25th Dec 2020, 01:39
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At least it shows he's not a Pom, refusing to drink warm beer.
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Old 26th Dec 2020, 10:11
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At least it shows he's not a Pom, refusing to drink warm beer.
As everyone who has operated British aeroplanes will understand: the reason that the Brits are used to warm beer is that they're also used to Lucas refrigeration.
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Old 26th Dec 2020, 11:01
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Devil

Lucas refrigeration.
The Prince of Darkness? That fiend of Electrical mayhem? That....that....
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Old 26th Dec 2020, 19:26
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The Prince of Darkness
Been there too, Pinky?
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Old 26th Dec 2020, 21:25
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My advice on how to do it:
Make your logbook entry for the date and add a note describing what happened - but dont log flight time. Even draw a line across it and mark it "Engine failure on Takeoff!" that way you will remember what you had go wrong - but dont enter any flight time. Stick a couple of photos in there instead too.

That way in 40 years time when you have X thousand hours and look back at your logbook or if you have to show it to others for a job interview, you wont look like a goose for logging taxi time.

A bit like those that log all IFR time as IF....even when lying in the bunk asleep....
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Old 27th Dec 2020, 00:39
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A bit like those that log all IFR time as IF....even when lying in the bunk asleep....
Can't you log PIC while in the bunk?
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Old 27th Dec 2020, 04:30
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Originally Posted by megan
A bit like those that log all IFR time as IF....even when lying in the bunk asleep....
Can't you log PIC while in the bunk?
You can if you are the designated commander of the flight...

And this Pom drinks COLD beer
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Old 27th Dec 2020, 05:07
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Been there too, Pinky?
Only briefly. But even that was enough.

Re the subject of this thread; I find it somewhat incredible that it has strung out to the fourth page with so many dissenting views. Aren't the regulations clear enough??

Oh hang on.....
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Old 27th Dec 2020, 05:31
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Originally Posted by ramble on View Post
My advice on how to do it:
Make your logbook entry for the date and add a note describing what happened - but dont log flight time. Even draw a line across it and mark it "Engine failure on Takeoff!" that way you will remember what you had go wrong - but dont enter any flight time. Stick a couple of photos in there instead too. <snip>....
^^^This^^^
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