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Air Sanga PNG - Twin Otter crash 1st Dec 2020

Old 3rd Dec 2020, 21:11
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Air Sanga PNG - Twin Otter crash 1st Dec 2020

Air Sanga PNG - Twin Otter P2-ASM, has been severely damaged in a landing accident at Wobagen airstrip.
Helicopters responded to the accident site.
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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 21:17
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Only 14 months after the crash of their PAC-750, P2-ASG, which I believe was slung under a MIL-8 and recovered back into Port Moresby.
Not sure if the PAC is a candidate for rebuild.
Twin Otter might have to be dismantled and helicopter out to retrieve unless temporary repairs to nose gear

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This one is worth a mention here.

In general, the experience level of the pilots operating into the bush strips in PNG is significantly diminishing. Not that Iím stating that this may have been a contributing factor to this accident.

Gone are the days when pilots were assessed rigorously by the regulator for the issue of any kind of old CAO 28 approval in any shape or form, now itís left to the operators. All good if they have a robust check and training system, however potentially a complete disaster if they donít as history has demonstrated in the past in PNG.
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Where is Wobagan? I don't recall a strip of that name?
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.65 NM north of Bimin airport



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24nm; brg: 105 degrees from Telefomin

Assuming the locals don't destroy the aircraft.
I doubt if effective repairs could be carried out in situ, probably take a few weeks?
Remove engines and props to reduce weight.
Perhaps the fuselage complete, could be slung under a MIL-8 to a repair shop. maybe Hevilift in Hagen? or box it up and send to Skytek in Cairns.
Will be interesting .......
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Remove engines and props to reduce weight.
Perhaps the fuselage complete, could be slung under a MIL-8 to a repair shop. maybe Hevilift in Hagen? or box it up and send to Skytek in Cairns.
Will be interesting .......
Think the otter is / was leased of Hevilift.
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I bent one at Gulgubip a few moons ago, rooting around in shiity weather pushing the limits and generally messed up. The next day I flew it back to POM after the engineers done some handy work.

If the props and wings havenít made contact with the ground or hard vegetation and the airframe hasnít been significantly distorted it could be temporarily repaired on-site and ferried back to a workshop for repairs.

I donít think the locals in that area will damage the aircraft, more likely to keep it secured.

Is Geeves still with Air Sanga?

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Thanks Hagen Airport. Two days walk ESE of Telefomin.

Duck Pilot, Geeves is still with Air Sanga but I don't believe e was flying at the time of this accident.
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The original Bimin strip was damaged beyond repair by a landslide late 90s - the bottom half kind of disappeared. Wobagan is the neighbouring village in the same valley, so became the replacement site.
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Any word of a recovery for the Air Sanga Twin Otter?
With the Otter, PAC750 and Cessna 206 out of service; I would have thought there would be a degree of urgency?
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In general, the experience level of the pilots operating into the bush strips in PNG is significantly diminishing.
Gone are the days when pilots were assessed rigorously by the regulator for the issue of any kind of old CAO 28 approval in any shape or form,
Indeed Duck pilot; When I started with Douglas Airways in early 1990 the requirements/training for going into bush strips was extremely rigorous to say the least! IIRC,as a newbie/boggie I had to do a minimum of three trips in the Right hand seat, simply observing along the route to and into each and every strip that I would eventually be flying. Then, from memory, it was Dz policy to do three trips ICUS into the aforementioned strips, via those routes. As the hackneyed joke of the time put it; You were 'stripped and routed!'

Once this was completed you were endorsed into that particular airstrip! And once you had, from memory, been endorsed in about three quarters of the airstrips of any one province, you were permitted under ANO 28 (as it was then) to self endorse into any strip you had not previously been into. Had the privilege of doing so two or three times in the Central and Gulf provinces M'self. With no dramas.

Speaking for myself only.. I cannot fault the training I received way back then from Alan Y and Luk V from Dz, and later from the now late Richard Rowe, God rest his Soul, of Simbu Aviation. And that's not to mention the hints/tips etc I learned, (generally at the Club Dero over various types of throat lubricant) from such as Chimbu Chuckles, various experienced Talair Pilots and fellow Dz Pilots such as Tim E, et al. If the current crop of pilots operating in the 'Land of the Unexpected' receive even half of the tuition that those three blokes gave me, then they should consider themselves blessed to say the least.

But then again, half of what I received could arguably mean half of the bare minimum!

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.....do a minimum of three trips in the Right hand seat, simply observing along the route to and into each and every strip that I would eventually be flying. Then, from memory, it was Dz policy to do three trips ICUS into the aforementioned strips, via those routes.
I seem to recall that was a regulatory requirement - CAR28?? Three trips for route endorsement?
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Correct wheelie, that requirement was dropped with the implementation of the new regs in 2000. AOC holder is now responsible for crew competency.

Sadly with the demise of GA in PNG, coupled with the retirement of a lot of the old school Check and Trainers has triggered flight standards to significantly drop in most of the organisations in PNG. There is only a small number of experienced old school Check and Trainers left in country these days. Whilst technology such as GPS has helped a lot over the years, however raw stick & rudder and airmanship skills have deteriorated in general, which have attributed to quite a few unnecessary accidents and incidents.

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Whilst technology such as GPS has helped a lot over the years, however raw stick & rudder and airmanship skills have deteriorated in general
Used to fly out of Lae every day in C206ís that didnít even have ADFís. All compass and clock! Iím still here!
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Correct wheelie, that requirement was dropped with the implementation of the new regs in 2000. AOC holder is now responsible for crew competency.
..........raw stick & rudder and airmanship skills have deteriorated in general, which have attributed to quite a few unnecessary accidents and incidents.

A sad state of affairs IMHO, and I would seriously suspect that those with whom I shared the priviledge of cruising about the PNG airspace way back then would agree 100%.

that didn’t even have ADF’s. All compass and clock!
Nearly all of the 'Brumm brumms,' aka Bongo Vans, I flew fell into the same category. Navaids???? What were they? And this is not to mention the ground stations which only worked when the locals had not stolen all the copper wiring from them!

From memory, only one BN2 I flew on a regular basis with Simbu had a Navaid. A Van X DME which only worked when it wanted to!
Thankfully, the one time I really needed it, when I was stuck over a solid overcast headed back to Moresby from the 'Jungles' and had to to a DME homing which enabled me to fly directly overhead the aid.
Then track 5nm out to sea where I could safely descend through cloud, to become visual at 800' and track round the coast to approach the Field from the east!
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ground stations which only worked when the locals had not stolen all the copper wiring from them!
To be fair, there was probably a good market for copper wiring.

I hear a lot of ground stations had to be re-wired, due theft.
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Agree with most of the above.

But the Otter simple slipped off the strip... something a lot of the above guru pilots and Checkies / Trainers also did in the day. Greasy strip is a greasy strip and the otter is renounced for it. Gone for a slide more times than I could count.. thankfully never off the edge.

There wouldnít be to many otters with a straight station 60 left in the world. -400 series but they donít count

Rightly or wrongly nobody bothers flying bush up here anymore, like most things in PNG itís a thing of the past and wonít be returning. Sori tru
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