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Old 27th Nov 2020, 19:47
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Out of 12 who started with me 3 are left. Only one is flying a jet and we got CPLs 15 years ago.
The other were out of the industry within 2 years of finishing.
So interesting! Our flying college told us in the "information night" that after graduation, there would be a 100% employment rate within 3 months of finishing. This was pre-COVID. Definitely feel misled in the beginning!
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Old 27th Nov 2020, 19:57
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Originally Posted by nigelsomers View Post
So interesting! Our flying college told us in the "information night" that after graduation, there would be a 100% employment rate within 3 months of finishing. This was pre-COVID. Definitely feel misled in the beginning!
100% employment as a pilot or just 100% employment in any job? Read the fine print.
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Old 27th Nov 2020, 20:22
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I went to a sausage factory in 1989/90. One of their big marketing ploys was to tell all us aspiring pilots that we'd all find employment within 6 weeks of graduating.
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Old 27th Nov 2020, 23:28
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Nigel, do you believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?

The marketing guy is only their for wage and the commission/bonus he gets for signing up suckers or potential students.

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Old 27th Nov 2020, 23:29
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100% employment as a pilot or just 100% employment in any job? Read the fine print.
As a pilot. At least that is what is assumed when we all attended the "pilot information night".
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Old 28th Nov 2020, 00:07
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I learnt "modular" (lesson by lesson) at RVAC in Morrabbin in 1987/88/89. There were about 8 or so people doing the same at the same time, and 6 or so all became professional airline pilots.

The "next wave" have about half that success, I think.

... so the idea that 90% plus would "make it" may have been a "true" statement for those who wnt through training at a previous time - but may not hold true for the people they are talking to at a later time...
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As a pilot. At least that is what is assumed when we all attended the "pilot information night".
Sorry to say, you and so many others have been scammed. The guaranteed employment and pilot shortage are furphys.


THIS is the reason why so many of us are against the whole VET debacle. It lines a lot of dodgy pockets with taxpayers money by exploiting people like the OP by telling him there is an easy way, a short cut to that dream of an airline job. It creates a very uneven playing field for those schools that don't want to get involved in it. There never has been and never will be a shortcut or pilot shortage.

Over my 30 years working in this industry I have seen so many of these frauds come and go and leave a trail of disappointed, debt ridden students just like the OP in their wake, they rake up the VET money and stash it who knows where then suddenly "go bust" leaving a trail of destruction. Then someone else starts it up and off we go again. I did hear one of the local sausage factories had a proud achievement of 5% of their graduates actually ending up working as pilots, the majority were so poorly trained they were simply unemployable, even in times of good hiring.

At least you have some qualifications, many of the people who get scammed in this way end up with a file and a log book in a skip or the money supply dries up and they can't afford to go to a proper school and finish.

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Old 28th Nov 2020, 00:30
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Or is it true that everyone eventually finds a flying gig somewhere at some point?
I was referring to making it into airlines rather than just out of flight school. From what I have seen, if you hang in there long enough you will get a break eventually at every level in the industry as you go along. The question though is do you still want to be battling it out in GA 10 years after you started because that is a real possibility now. There already has been a thread on the subject of "is it all worth it?" I suggest you go have a read through that too.

On saying that I am of the opinion that there will be a demographic crunch in about 10 years as large scale retirements meet a lack of supply of younger pilots.

I wonder just how many guys like me that graduate from flight school ultimately never find any work. Do you have any idea?
All the guys that were serious I went through with ended up in airlines. However you have to be serious about it, if you are not and just think it's like a 'normal' job you will never make it. What personal cost are you are willing to pay I think is the question you need to ask. It will mean moving house, living where you don't want to live, poor pay and conditions strain on relationships (including family and friends) etc. Whether it is all worth it I think is become a more difficult question to answer and will probably see decrease in the number of people taking up the profession. As I alluded to earlier there is no real guarantee that your hard work actually counts for anything either.

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Old 29th Nov 2020, 22:16
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2011 Sausage factory graduate.


Most of us who ended up with CPLs were flying pre-rona, many in airlines or other good - great jobs around the world.


Graduates of 2013, not so much.


I think even those of 2009 struggled a lot as well.


Timing is a big part of it. Unfortunately no one can help that, and no one can predict black swan events.


Having said that, I think if any one who gave up went on to instruct, or moved up north to pull beers while waiting, then they'd all have had some luck by now. It all comes down to how much you want it.
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Old 30th Nov 2020, 07:35
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A couple of years ago, NZALPA published a sobering research article on Pilot career progression in New Zealand. In conclusion they estimated only 29% of kiwi CPL holders, (New Zealand residents), who graduated between 2000 and 2017, were still actively flying commercially in New Zealand.
I donít think they could account for those flying overseas, but still, not good at all. Would be very interesting to see an equivalent Australian study.
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