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Recreational Flying in AUS, US PILOT

Old 6th Oct 2020, 20:49
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Recreational Flying in AUS, US PILOT

Going on vacation next spring!! Would like to purchase or lease some block time from a club or someone in AUS. Travel plans are flexible, anyone know of a good outfit to work with?
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 00:48
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Start working with CASA now. Get in applications for permission to fly in Australia, and also for your ASIC security pass. You may also have to pass an English test.
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 00:50
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Originally Posted by Runaway Gun View Post
Start working with CASA now. Get in applications for permission to fly in Australia, and also for your ASIC security pass. You may also have to pass an English test.
I've looked at this a little, what's the timeline like for approvals? Any idea?
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 03:24
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Definitely what the Gun said, your timing is okay if you get started ASAP. I assume that by next spring, you mean North American spring? Do you have a preference on type of aircraft, how many hours your budget affords, what kind of geography you'd like to visit etc?
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There is also a rather large elephant in the room called COVID 19 and the fact that Australia's borders are currently closed to all but Australian citizens and permanent residents... and I seriously doubt they'll be open in 6 months time ...
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 11:21
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Are you a private pilot or sport pilot in the US?

Good luck coming here until Covid is eradicated in the US and with your current president and his games, that’s not likely to be any time soon!
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 11:27
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Thanks

Thanks guys, yes North American spring, Feb/Mar.

Covid definitely being the main concern willing to keep pushing the trip, but also don't want to skip out on any planning in case it gets better.

Commercial US pilots.
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“International travel, including by tourists and international students, is assumed to remain largely closed off until late next year and then gradually return over time, and a vaccine to be available around the end of 2021 is one of the assumptions in the budget,”
That was from our Treasurer yesterday, so I don't fancy your chances but good luck nonetheless
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 21:38
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Still no harm getting all your ducks in a row now at least with the paperwork.

Should be a lot faster (Easier?) now that the authorities have nothing to do because aviation is at a standstill here.

(ASIC took e a week to get last month..... surely worthy of Guinness Book of Records entry)
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The timeline for approvals from CASA? Just apply immediately, and consult your tea leaves.
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 04:23
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Somebody from the US will have serious trouble with an English test.....

"There even are places where English completely disappears,
In America they haven't used it for years..."
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 13:17
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Cool, thanks guys. Another question, Would you recommend any certain region to do some flying? I'm from Alaska and do a lot of bush flying, the NT appeals to me a little bit. Is there a good bit worth flightseeing in that area?
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 14:55
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I tried to get a validation for my UK licence a year or two ago. Started the paperwork four months before my visit. A week or two before my arrival in Oz, I was told a face to face interview required in Syd for a security pass?
A pass would be issued within 5 weeks. I’d left the Country by then!!
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 15:05
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Ah CessnaPete - but the prevention of your flying, undoubtedly made the Australian skies a tad safer. Mission Accomplished.

(Not that YOUR flying is any more dangerous than mine, it's just statistically safer if less people are allowed to fly).
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Would you recommend any certain region to do some flying?
Coming from Alaska you would be familiar with long distances over remote country, but keep in mind Australia is only slightly smaller that the area of mainland USA, with only 7% of the population. If you are thinking the usual single engine aircraft hire, you will need a tent and many cut lunches if you are thinking of travelling widely in Australia. Also, Australian aircraft hire rates are around 50% higher than in the US and our fuel prices, particularly in remote areas, will make your eyes water.

Each area of Australia has it's own unique attractions. Queensland coastal north then west into NT can be very interesting.

Good luck with CASA and your ASIC............ Aside from time, patience and tolerance are great virtues.
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Somebody from the US will have serious trouble with an English test.....

"There even are places where English completely disappears,
In America they haven't used it for years..."
Can you tell me why the US military made us do an English test AC?
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Old 9th Oct 2020, 07:51
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It's certainly a strange world that CASA lives in. The aero club where I work used to hire aeroplanes to an 'Air Safari' operator who organised trips round Australia, often for pilots from the USA.

These pilots all had the words "English Proficient" on their licences but CASA insisted that this was not sufficient to satisfy the English Proficiency Level 6 required for a Certificate of Validation, so I had to conduct an ELP6 interview with them and assess them at level 6 proficient before they could exercise the privileges of their CoV!
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Old 9th Oct 2020, 08:30
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I thought you could fly with level 4 (expires after 3 years), level 5 (6 year expiry) or level 6 (never expires)
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Old 9th Oct 2020, 09:38
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Cool, thanks guys. Another question, Would you recommend any certain region to do some flying? I'm from Alaska and do a lot of bush flying, the NT appeals to me a little bit. Is there a good bit worth flightseeing in that area?
NT is the equivalent of the Arizona desert. There’s a few places near or on the coast worth seeing but you normally wouldn’t go camping in the middle somewhere. You’d have to get the exact month or two, otherwise it will be too hot or alternatively the wet season.

The east coast “J curve” would be the most popular from say Melbourne up to Cairns, there’s a lot of places to visit, be it beautiful coastline or inland destinations. If you go too far inland, it can get hot and bumpy depending on the time of year.

You could start in Adelaide and head to Maree/William creek and then back over to the east costs perhaps, but it really depends what you want to see and do. A round trip would obviously be best to be able to return the aircraft, otherwise they would have to get a ferry pilot to bring it back again.

How much time will you have?


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Old 9th Oct 2020, 11:42
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It's certainly a strange world that CASA lives in. The aero club where I work used to hire aeroplanes to an 'Air Safari' operator who organised trips round Australia, often for pilots from the USA.

These pilots all had the words "English Proficient" on their licences but CASA insisted that this was not sufficient to satisfy the English Proficiency Level 6 required for a Certificate of Validation, so I had to conduct an ELP6 interview with them and assess them at level 6 proficient before they could exercise the privileges of their CoV!
Did any of them fail to meet the lofty standards delegated to yourself by CASA?
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