Pilatus PC-24 Jet - happy customers?
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Pilatus PC-24 Jet - happy customers?
The August 2020 issue of BCA magazine has conducted their first Customer survey report on the PC-24 Jet. Many issues suggest;
Windscreens cracking on a regular basis even after being changed.
Fuel imbalance when using the single point refuelling.
Incorrect quantity of fuel being loaded due software issues.
Avionics and cockpit cooling issues on a hot day.
Any pilot or operator feedback?
Windscreens cracking on a regular basis even after being changed.
Fuel imbalance when using the single point refuelling.
Incorrect quantity of fuel being loaded due software issues.
Avionics and cockpit cooling issues on a hot day.
Any pilot or operator feedback?
In Australia, I’m going to go out on a limb and say none to may as well be none. I’m not sure what category RFDS Central and Western Ops run theirs in (aerial work? Charter?), but if it’s charter, they won’t be going in and out of “unimproved strips”.
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They operate under aerial work even though they would have charter on their AOC.
with that medical fit out there wouldn't be a lot left over for fuel to get the range needed in WA.
Its flash looking but that's about all!
with that medical fit out there wouldn't be a lot left over for fuel to get the range needed in WA.
Its flash looking but that's about all!
The August 2020 issue of BCA magazine has conducted their first Customer survey report on the PC-24 Jet. Many issues suggest;
Windscreens cracking on a regular basis even after being changed.
Fuel imbalance when using the single point refuelling.
Incorrect quantity of fuel being loaded due software issues.
Avionics and cockpit cooling issues on a hot day.
Any pilot or operator feedback?
Windscreens cracking on a regular basis even after being changed.
Fuel imbalance when using the single point refuelling.
Incorrect quantity of fuel being loaded due software issues.
Avionics and cockpit cooling issues on a hot day.
Any pilot or operator feedback?
swh, do you honestly believe a windscreen cracking in a pressurised aircraft capable of flying at 45,000 is "normal" for a new aircraft ?
As a previous post suggests, slick advertising.
Initial launch/new type customer discounts can lead to flawed decision making.
As a previous post suggests, slick advertising.
Initial launch/new type customer discounts can lead to flawed decision making.
Ours regularly flies between Darwin and Adelaide, so range is not bad for what is after all a single-pilot light jet.
The windscreen thing is a known issue but we have had no trouble with ours.
I’ve never had a fuel imbalance after using the single-point refuelling, nor the incorrect amount loaded.
The system is, however, quite fussy and if you are in a rush and don’t let it “complete” properly I can see how that may be possible. But I call that operator error, not a fault with the aircraft.
We haven’t had any issues with avionics / cockpit cooling. The environmental system is far more effective than in the PC-12.
The windscreen thing is a known issue but we have had no trouble with ours.
I’ve never had a fuel imbalance after using the single-point refuelling, nor the incorrect amount loaded.
The system is, however, quite fussy and if you are in a rush and don’t let it “complete” properly I can see how that may be possible. But I call that operator error, not a fault with the aircraft.
We haven’t had any issues with avionics / cockpit cooling. The environmental system is far more effective than in the PC-12.
Ours regularly flies between Darwin and Adelaide, so range is not bad for what is after all a single-pilot light jet.
The windscreen thing is a known issue but we have had no trouble with ours.
I’ve never had a fuel imbalance after using the single-point refuelling, nor the incorrect amount loaded.
The system is, however, quite fussy and if you are in a rush and don’t let it “complete” properly I can see how that may be possible. But I call that operator error, not a fault with the aircraft.
We haven’t had any issues with avionics / cockpit cooling. The environmental system is far more effective than in the PC-12.
The windscreen thing is a known issue but we have had no trouble with ours.
I’ve never had a fuel imbalance after using the single-point refuelling, nor the incorrect amount loaded.
The system is, however, quite fussy and if you are in a rush and don’t let it “complete” properly I can see how that may be possible. But I call that operator error, not a fault with the aircraft.
We haven’t had any issues with avionics / cockpit cooling. The environmental system is far more effective than in the PC-12.
My prediction is like anything Pilates, the first model is a bit rough, but they refine them over time and they end up being a pretty bloody good machine. At least that’s what I noticed with the PC-12
Shhh rcoight don't let the facts get in the way of others' agenda.
@machtuk
You've clearly never compared levels of certification standards (read crashworthiness) between it and others in the market space (e.g. B350) have you?
Or detailed performance analyses on specific runways?
@machtuk
Its flash looking but that's about all!
Or detailed performance analyses on specific runways?
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The aircraft is quite capable of doing 0.74 (which is the MMO) at all altitudes, but you'd never really use it, as if it accidentally went to 0.741 before the auto-throttles caught it it would record an overspeed.
I agree it's never wise to buy the first of any type (whether it be cars or aircraft, I don't know why people want to be first). There will always be some bugs that need ironing out.
Overall I think it's a very fine aircraft and will only get better as they make more.
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We don't push ours much at all in the cruise, so almost always use 0.70 or 0.71, which usually gives a TAS between 405 and 420kt.
The aircraft is quite capable of doing 0.74 (which is the MMO) at all altitudes, but you'd never really use it, as if it accidentally went to 0.741 before the auto-throttles caught it it would record an overspeed.
I agree it's never wise to buy the first of any type (whether it be cars or aircraft, I don't know why people want to be first). There will always be some bugs that need ironing out.
Overall I think it's a very fine aircraft and will only get better as they make more.
The aircraft is quite capable of doing 0.74 (which is the MMO) at all altitudes, but you'd never really use it, as if it accidentally went to 0.741 before the auto-throttles caught it it would record an overspeed.
I agree it's never wise to buy the first of any type (whether it be cars or aircraft, I don't know why people want to be first). There will always be some bugs that need ironing out.
Overall I think it's a very fine aircraft and will only get better as they make more.
With regards to the speed, I know in the Airbus, we normally sit around Mach 0.78-0.79. MMO is 0.82. Obviously I’ve never flown the PC-24, but I reckon you could easily sit closer to MMO with no problem on your average day. Jets aren’t really that efficient sitting too far below Mmo normally.
Good luck with it. Hopefully RFDS sees more of them in the future around the country.
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To get that range DN-AD with any sort of payload I imagine LRC would be needed. 0.70 is pretty slow for a modern day designed jet.
Be interesting to see if the 24 is able to do that route with a 80kts H/W and an Alt at either destination.
Ive done that route many times in a 0.80 machine, anything slower would be painful!
Be interesting to see if the 24 is able to do that route with a 80kts H/W and an Alt at either destination.
Ive done that route many times in a 0.80 machine, anything slower would be painful!
Good to hear. As you say I’m sure they’ll get better as they make more.
With regards to the speed, I know in the Airbus, we normally sit around Mach 0.78-0.79. MMO is 0.82. Obviously I’ve never flown the PC-24, but I reckon you could easily sit closer to MMO with no problem on your average day. Jets aren’t really that efficient sitting too far below Mmo normally.
Good luck with it. Hopefully RFDS sees more of them in the future around the country.
With regards to the speed, I know in the Airbus, we normally sit around Mach 0.78-0.79. MMO is 0.82. Obviously I’ve never flown the PC-24, but I reckon you could easily sit closer to MMO with no problem on your average day. Jets aren’t really that efficient sitting too far below Mmo normally.
Good luck with it. Hopefully RFDS sees more of them in the future around the country.
As it's a totally new type and our first jet we are being conservative with the way we use it (quite rightly in my view).
M0.70 or 0.71 is very efficient, especially at FL450.
To get that range DN-AD with any sort of payload I imagine LRC would be needed. 0.70 is pretty slow for a modern day designed jet.
Be interesting to see if the 24 is able to do that route with a 80kts H/W and an Alt at either destination.
Ive done that route many times in a 0.80 machine, anything slower would be painful!
Be interesting to see if the 24 is able to do that route with a 80kts H/W and an Alt at either destination.
Ive done that route many times in a 0.80 machine, anything slower would be painful!
Hardly a big deal. We have also done DN-ML more than once. Not too shabby.
You should remember we are talking about a single-pilot aircraft with a large cabin and incredible field performance.
All aircraft are a compromise in many ways.
The -24 trades ultimate speed and range for cabin size and field performance (including unimproved airstrips) and also has that huge rear door.
Compared to the palava trying to wedge patients into other jets, it's heaven.
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M0.70 works fine DN-AD most of the time. Of course if there's a strong headwind / alt requirements, or we have a particularly heavy load we stop at YBAS.
Hardly a big deal. We have also done DN-ML more than once. Not too shabby.
You should remember we are talking about a single-pilot aircraft with a large cabin and incredible field performance.
All aircraft are a compromise in many ways.
The -24 trades ultimate speed and range for cabin size and field performance (including unimproved airstrips) and also has that huge rear door.
Compared to the palava trying to wedge patients into other jets, it's heaven.
Hardly a big deal. We have also done DN-ML more than once. Not too shabby.
You should remember we are talking about a single-pilot aircraft with a large cabin and incredible field performance.
All aircraft are a compromise in many ways.
The -24 trades ultimate speed and range for cabin size and field performance (including unimproved airstrips) and also has that huge rear door.
Compared to the palava trying to wedge patients into other jets, it's heaven.
I've taken off from Darwin at MTOW and climbed direct to FL450. It's fine.
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