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Old 12th Jul 2020, 03:18
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Many instructors incorrectly presume that just because they hold an Instrument Rating and an Instructor Rating they are permitted under the regulations to teach NVFR. To teach NVFR an instructor must also hold the FIR - NVFR Training Endorsement. CASA is aware of this misconception regarding NVFR teaching and is currently taking more of an educative approach to breaches rather than a punitive approach, which is sensible and pragmatic.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 03:48
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I was told by a disgruntled employee that the NVFR thing came to light from a CASA audit. The instructor in question did not hold the required training endorsement.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 04:28
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Originally Posted by LexAir View Post
Many instructors incorrectly presume that just because they hold an Instrument Rating and an Instructor Rating they are permitted under the regulations to teach NVFR. To teach NVFR an instructor must also hold the FIR - NVFR Training Endorsement. CASA is aware of this misconception regarding NVFR teaching and is currently taking more of an educative approach to breaches rather than a punitive approach, which is sensible and pragmatic.
Thankyou Lexair. Correct.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 06:33
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So a couple of decades or so and a lazy few hundred millions or so spent on regulatory reform, and:
  • there's confusion about whether a rating is required to deliver NVFR training, and
  • it’s just a paperwork issue for people who are holders of both instructor ratings and IFR ratings.
Confusion and pointless paperwork. Big thumbs up CASA!

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Old 12th Jul 2020, 13:07
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Thank you lexair.
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 02:42
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That is a worry, Lexair. Instructors work under a HOO whose job it is to ensure that incorrect presumptions aren't made and that instructors are allocated jobs they are qualified to do.

I once worked at a school where they had an unsupervised Grade Three teaching night VFR at a remote base with no suitable alternates within an hours flight time, so this sort of thing did happen.

In this case it could be legal if the guy is doing supervised night circuits. People do 5 hours of this so they can do IFR at night, but 90 hours? Surely 90 hours of night circuits would drive anyone insane however badly they want that ATPL.

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Old 13th Jul 2020, 03:02
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Originally Posted by LexAir View Post
Many instructors incorrectly presume that just because they hold an Instrument Rating and an Instructor Rating they are permitted under the regulations to teach NVFR. To teach NVFR an instructor must also hold the FIR - NVFR Training Endorsement. CASA is aware of this misconception regarding NVFR teaching and is currently taking more of an educative approach to breaches rather than a punitive approach, which is sensible and pragmatic.
If CASA were capable of pragmatism, instructors could instruct for any skill that they themselves have demonstrated. Can fly a night circuit? Yes, should now be able to teach night circuits. Flew cross-country at night for the NVFR or IFR test? Can now teach. Why not? Often, the best time to teach something is soon after you have been examined in that skill yourself.
Some airlines recognized this and had a policy of selecting training captains from newly promoted captains, while the extensive work involved in command upgrade or transition to a new type was still fresh in their minds.
Our licencing system has far too many layers of BS.
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 06:25
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Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli View Post
If CASA were capable of pragmatism, instructors could instruct for any skill that they themselves have demonstrated. Can fly a night circuit? Yes, should now be able to teach night circuits. Flew cross-country at night for the NVFR or IFR test? Can now teach. Why not? Often, the best time to teach something is soon after you have been examined in that skill yourself.
Some airlines recognized this and had a policy of selecting training captains from newly promoted captains, while the extensive work involved in command upgrade or transition to a new type was still fresh in their minds.
Our licencing system has far too many layers of BS.
Thanks MEAvelli, ++1 here.
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 07:51
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Instructors work under a HOO whose job it is to ensure that incorrect presumptions aren't made and that instructors are allocated jobs they are qualified to do.
One of the HOO's up there is a very interesting character, I'll bet it was under his watch
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 07:56
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If CASA were capable of pragmatism, instructors could instruct for any skill that they themselves have demonstrated.
This was the case for quite a few things under CAR 5. The Part 61 regs have added a significant amount of cost to an instructor (or organisation) who'd like to or has to add training approvals to their rating. Whilst the 'new' instructor rating has stripped a bit of cost, it doesn't make up for the added approvals cost.
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 15:10
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Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli View Post
If CASA were capable of pragmatism, instructors could instruct for any skill that they themselves have demonstrated. Can fly a night circuit? Yes, should now be able to teach night circuits. Flew cross-country at night for the NVFR or IFR test? Can now teach. Why not? Often, the best time to teach something is soon after you have been examined in that skill yourself.
Some airlines recognized this and had a policy of selecting training captains from newly promoted captains, while the extensive work involved in command upgrade or transition to a new type was still fresh in their minds.
Our licencing system has far too many layers of BS.
Any idea if this is how it works in USA? If not I'd like to know where they pulled this idea from...
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 16:15
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Any idea if this is how it works in USA? If not I'd like to know where they pulled this idea from...
Dude, it is so far removed from the States that it's unrecognisable.
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 23:44
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"sensible and pragmatic.", I wanted to puke when I read that.
This statement, apparently floated by CASA, is pure propaganda.
Its a reaction their escalating bureaucratic nightmare of ratings upon ratings
and the NVFR is a classic example.

No wonder instructors leave Australia and don't return.
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Old 17th Jul 2020, 08:17
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I heard that 7 instructors walked out today
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Old 17th Jul 2020, 23:12
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Is this from a reliable source?
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Old 18th Jul 2020, 10:54
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Originally Posted by Staffypilot View Post
I heard that 7 instructors walked out today
Where will they be going?
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Old 18th Jul 2020, 12:43
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Where will they be going?
I assume to the back of the centrelink line. Hard to see where these instructors could get employed during these times
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 01:11
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Originally Posted by havoste View Post
Where will they be going?
7 Instructors walking out on the same day, knowing it is extremely hard to find a new job during this Covid pandemic is a clear example that the company shouldn't be operating the way it is operating now. It is a disaster waiting to happen
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Old 22nd Jul 2020, 06:12
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There are rumours that IAA Mildura will be shutting down soon. Because all their Instructors walked out recently IAA is unable to complete the pilot training before the dead line given by the airlines. They are desperately looking for other 142 operators to take over their cadets to complete their training inorder to keep the contract. If that happens, I wonder what happens to all their brand new aeroplanes??. Maybe set them on fire for insurance money??
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Old 22nd Jul 2020, 11:00
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The amount of brand new accounts all set with their location to Mildura is astonishing
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