Box Hill TAFE drops Aviation Diploma
Time for a Royal Commission ?
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The evidence is overwhelming, it's a swamp.
I'd like to be clear about FEE-HELP, I'm not against it, it has a place. It has no place in the hands of private businesses. You still have to be careful when you attend a government institution.
We can only hope that the pond scum that have ripped off hundreds of students will be held to account, rather than Australia's 'soft' corruption covering this embarrassment up.
I'd like to be clear about FEE-HELP, I'm not against it, it has a place. It has no place in the hands of private businesses. You still have to be careful when you attend a government institution.
We can only hope that the pond scum that have ripped off hundreds of students will be held to account, rather than Australia's 'soft' corruption covering this embarrassment up.
It has a place for sure, best used to help pilots who have already got the CPL to upskill to help get that first job.
That amount of 150 grand is only available for other courses that need ATAR of 95+. (Vet, Medicine, Dentistry) This course needed an ATAR of 40.65. The average is about 65.
"A former student of Box Hill Institute in Melbourne and Soar Aviation said the enrolment test could be completed at home and focused on basic English and simple algebra equations. On its website, Soar Aviation says its courses do not require a background in “physics or mathematics”. “We will teach you what you need to know to achieve a commercial pilot *licence,” it says."
That amount of 150 grand is only available for other courses that need ATAR of 95+. (Vet, Medicine, Dentistry) This course needed an ATAR of 40.65. The average is about 65.
"A former student of Box Hill Institute in Melbourne and Soar Aviation said the enrolment test could be completed at home and focused on basic English and simple algebra equations. On its website, Soar Aviation says its courses do not require a background in “physics or mathematics”. “We will teach you what you need to know to achieve a commercial pilot *licence,” it says."
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It is clear that some training organisations are focused entirely on financial return however there are others that take pride in delivering what they promise. Unfortunately some educational institutions just enrol anyone that is prepared to sign up and they are not fully scrutinised by Government.
Simple fix is make all providers report course success rates publicly so there is transparency right from the start.
anyone who is involved in flight training should understand that occasionally they can have a student who is not going to succeed however the poor achievement rates of some providers indicate a total lack of initial assessment and poor remedial support.
Simple fix is make all providers report course success rates publicly so there is transparency right from the start.
anyone who is involved in flight training should understand that occasionally they can have a student who is not going to succeed however the poor achievement rates of some providers indicate a total lack of initial assessment and poor remedial support.
I remember a time, over 20 years ago, when the TAFE aviation students were allowed, in fact encouraged, to shop around for their flying school and TAFE were not allowed to influence their decision.
This then stopped when the loans came in and the students were forced to use the TAFE/UNIs chosen provider, opening up opportunities for corruption. Despite taxpayers money raining down, two of ECUs chosen providers at Jandakot went broke one after the other, leaving students and instructors high and dry while the directors just drove away in their expensive cars and were never made to account for the chaos they had caused.
I also think the issue of "Cancellation fees" needs to be addressed...I recall this in one of NK press releases being mentioned, that he generously wouldn't charge cancellation fees when the school was temporarily grounded. Years ago an instructor at one of the schools who did ECU students told me the VET students were billed the same amount for lessons whether they turned up or not, and the percentage of the no-shows was very high. Yet still the school went to the wall.
Most of the smaller schools dodn't want to get involved with mass production or deal with that level of bureaucracy, so there becomes a very uneven playing field with the taxpayer funded superschools, that can't/won't stay in business for whatever reason, (perhaps they never intended to) and the rest of us who are still here plodding away providing quality training.
So perhaps it could work if the whole RTO side of things were dropped and students could chose their provider and let market forces sort it out.
Meanwhile I believe that this corruption must go to ministerial level to have gone as far as it has for as long as it has. The video with Mike McCormack is sickening. Unfortunately I can't copy the link but if you go to their faceache page and look among the videos for "Deputy Prime Minister, Michael McCormack visit to Soar Aviation"
https://www. facebook.com/soaraviationvideos/281021165857351/
This then stopped when the loans came in and the students were forced to use the TAFE/UNIs chosen provider, opening up opportunities for corruption. Despite taxpayers money raining down, two of ECUs chosen providers at Jandakot went broke one after the other, leaving students and instructors high and dry while the directors just drove away in their expensive cars and were never made to account for the chaos they had caused.
I also think the issue of "Cancellation fees" needs to be addressed...I recall this in one of NK press releases being mentioned, that he generously wouldn't charge cancellation fees when the school was temporarily grounded. Years ago an instructor at one of the schools who did ECU students told me the VET students were billed the same amount for lessons whether they turned up or not, and the percentage of the no-shows was very high. Yet still the school went to the wall.
Most of the smaller schools dodn't want to get involved with mass production or deal with that level of bureaucracy, so there becomes a very uneven playing field with the taxpayer funded superschools, that can't/won't stay in business for whatever reason, (perhaps they never intended to) and the rest of us who are still here plodding away providing quality training.
So perhaps it could work if the whole RTO side of things were dropped and students could chose their provider and let market forces sort it out.
Meanwhile I believe that this corruption must go to ministerial level to have gone as far as it has for as long as it has. The video with Mike McCormack is sickening. Unfortunately I can't copy the link but if you go to their faceache page and look among the videos for "Deputy Prime Minister, Michael McCormack visit to Soar Aviation"
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Vet fee help should be overhauled
There should be a list of training providers on a panel and students should be able to choose from between them. The loan should only be for the cpl part and students should self fund the ppl component. Just my opinion.
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The evidence is overwhelming, it's a swamp.
I'd like to be clear about FEE-HELP, I'm not against it, it has a place. It has no place in the hands of private businesses. You still have to be careful when you attend a government institution.
We can only hope that the pond scum that have ripped off hundreds of students will be held to account, rather than Australia's 'soft' corruption covering this embarrassment up.
I'd like to be clear about FEE-HELP, I'm not against it, it has a place. It has no place in the hands of private businesses. You still have to be careful when you attend a government institution.
We can only hope that the pond scum that have ripped off hundreds of students will be held to account, rather than Australia's 'soft' corruption covering this embarrassment up.
At least the circuit will be freed up, from the painfully slow vixens (I never felt like a butt hole so much in the air.)
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There needs to be a better way to do it. Flying doesn't fit well with a university schedule, especially in a place that has so many days of crappy weather. (also nearly all the schools offer vet fee help now)
The minority of schools offer FEE-HELP.
Porter, I suggested that Box Hill would be the only body with financial resources when, not if, a class action was decided. The other party would have moved themselves and their money offshore by then.
If I was running a class action already, I would have put caveats on those Soar aircraft for sale this morning.
If I was running a class action already, I would have put caveats on those Soar aircraft for sale this morning.
Agreed, put a lein on the planes top try and recover some $$. If Neel has skipped the country to the depths of India, and the planes get sold, there will be nothing left to get anything back in the way of payout.
Students, go to Personal Property Securities Register and register an interest on the planes before it's too late (note: i am not a solicitor and this is not legal advice) but any way you can defeat this clown or slow him down is good in my eyes.
Students, go to Personal Property Securities Register and register an interest on the planes before it's too late (note: i am not a solicitor and this is not legal advice) but any way you can defeat this clown or slow him down is good in my eyes.
I heard that NK left the country the day after the Moorabbin accident
Here’s a good summary of what’s happened... (I am aware of the double link below, it’s was misbehaving)
https://www.facebook.com/1580734692199543/posts/2643150049291330
https://www.facebook.com/1580734692199543/posts/2643150049291330/