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Old 26th Jan 2020, 01:27
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The operator doesn’t need to throw the pilot under the bus when the video does it on it’s own.
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 01:56
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700
The operator doesn’t need to throw the pilot under the bus when the video does it on it’s own.
so why does the owner make such comments then?

I would be pretty confident in saying that the pilot did not intend that as the outcome for their days flying. So why did that happen?

poor training? Poor oversight of standards? Boss man said standards weren’t adhered to by the pilot; but whose job is it to oversee that those standards are maintained hmm?
was the area that was picked for landing really suitable or could it have been better?
I don’t know the Airvan so I don’t know what was happening with the flaps. A guess (yes speculation) is that the pilot MAY have been trying to lose some lift during a float to help get the plane on the ground. If so, why do that? Who taught them that? Why not go around instead? Is there a culture issue at play?

Theres probably more to it than just “100% pilot error” and that they will be “disciplined”.
How about a different statement along the lines of “the investigation is ongoing and if required the pilot will undergo some additional training” rather than the publicised vindictive blame.

p.s where is the rest of the registration under the wing? Isn’t that a CASR requirement?

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Old 26th Jan 2020, 02:38
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700
The operator doesn’t need to throw the pilot under the bus when the video does it on it’s own.
He does in his mind when every man and his dog is trying to ban beach landings...
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Old 29th Jan 2020, 04:29
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Originally Posted by Car RAMROD
p.s where is the rest of the registration under the wing? Isn’t that a CASR requirement?
There is an exemption for that:
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2015L02066

yet again the CASA rule writers couldn't get it right and rather than fixing the rule publish an exemption...
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Old 29th Jan 2020, 06:10
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no one, that piece of legislation self cancelled on 03 July 2016.
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Old 29th Jan 2020, 07:08
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And they just ditched another one with “rudder failure?”. Fortunately no serious injuries.
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Old 29th Jan 2020, 07:52
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So is that the whole fleet now out of action or they have some more?
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Old 29th Jan 2020, 07:57
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I just saw this on the news. Rudder failure? Unusual reason to ditch one would have thought - especially as the beach looked like being about 100 metres away.

Im guessing stall/spin with recovery too low and not enough energy to do anything but plonk it in the surf. Pure speculation of course.
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Old 29th Jan 2020, 08:23
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Originally Posted by lucille
I just saw this on the news. Rudder failure? Unusual reason to ditch one would have thought - especially as the beach looked like being about 100 metres away.

Im guessing stall/spin with recovery too low and not enough energy to do anything but plonk it in the surf. Pure speculation of course.
investigation complete!
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Old 29th Jan 2020, 08:26
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Old Mate Karma seems to have been having a little fun with this one, pilot identified as the same fella quoted in news reports above.
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Old 29th Jan 2020, 08:48
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Old 29th Jan 2020, 10:35
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Originally Posted by spinex
Old Mate Karma seems to have been having a little fun with this one, pilot identified as the same fella quoted in news reports above.
100% pilot error Gerry?!
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Old 29th Jan 2020, 11:42
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Originally Posted by tio540
investigation complete!
Which part of “I’m guessing” and “pure speculation” did you fail to comprehend?
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 00:31
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 01:23
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Originally Posted by Pappa Smurf

There’s your problem right there folks. The engine is missing. That is surely an offence of strict liability.

tootle pip.
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 07:23
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Haven’t read the stuff for a while, however there are probably a few hooks in the Act that the ATSB operate under as well.

Also throw any insurance claim out the window if the engine was removed without their approval.
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 10:38
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Cessna Ditching

Could there be another reason?

Like nose wheel issue/failure/falling off = rudder jaming issue = fuel supply interference = engine failure = ditching off shore.

One pilot noted to be wearing a life jacket as he emerged from the water.
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 11:06
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News article here:

https://amp.9news.com.au/article/88e...6-d971490cf4fd


rudder failure and an engine failure, and a ditching. Sheesh what a day of bad luck!
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 11:06
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Before some idiot says it .......... Sorry folks, THIS WILL NOT BUFF OUT !!!
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 11:22
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Not with that attitude
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