Queensland Government
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: Brisbane, Qld, Australia
Age: 74
Posts: 1,248
Holder Name: STATE OF QUEENSLAND REPRESENTED BY PUBLIC SAFETY BUSINESS AGENCY
Town/City: PINKENBA
State: QLD
AOC Holder Country: Australia
Type of AOC: Aerial Work, Aircraft Charter, CASR 142
AOC Application Status: Issued
Issue Date: 21/05/2020
Expiry Date: 30/04/2022
Holder Name: STATE OF QUEENSLAND REPRESENTED BY PUBLIC SAFETY BUSINESS AGENCY
Town/City: PINKENBA
State: QLD
Type of AOC: Aircraft Charter
AOC Application Status: Issued
Issue Date: 26/08/2020
Expiry Date: 31/08/2021
Town/City: PINKENBA
State: QLD
AOC Holder Country: Australia
Type of AOC: Aerial Work, Aircraft Charter, CASR 142
AOC Application Status: Issued
Issue Date: 21/05/2020
Expiry Date: 30/04/2022
Holder Name: STATE OF QUEENSLAND REPRESENTED BY PUBLIC SAFETY BUSINESS AGENCY
Town/City: PINKENBA
State: QLD
Type of AOC: Aircraft Charter
AOC Application Status: Issued
Issue Date: 26/08/2020
Expiry Date: 31/08/2021
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Hiding in Plane Sight
Posts: 102
Originally Posted by CAVOK92
They have been hiring crew and aircraft from a third party organisation as well. Would make a lot of sense to just contract the whole thing.
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 225
Originally Posted by Al Fentanyl
They've managed to privatise (sorry contract) helicopter rescue in Qld, at 30% more cost than the Gov rescue setup with the exact same aircraft and crewing. Would be interesting to see how much a private operator could screw out of the Gov for FW services as well. Possibly even the same profit-driven private operator. Love that Government money! Bottomless well to supply the endless trough.
Also, how much downtime has the government operation had without penalties applied? How much aircraft downtime has the contracted company had by comparison due MX/crewing/whatever?
I don’t work for either but just curious.
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 225
Originally Posted by Al Fentanyl
RW services were recently reviewed by the Govt. Info from that.
Had that have been a contracted operator, penalties would have been huge.
I’m not for, or against either model. Just pointing out what has happened in the past.
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 55
Looking at the fixed wing section they appear to be run reasonably efficiently. And given the nature of the work when there is a break down chartering out the work isn’t an issue. The only questionable part is, quite often when they are short of their own pilots they bring in contract crew from a 3rd party who are not QG air employees. How they manage to call it private ops is beyond me. CASA are unofficially turning a blind eye to the whole thing.
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: N/A
Posts: 3,781
How they manage to call it private ops is beyond me
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Hiding in Plane Sight
Posts: 102
Originally Posted by havick
That’s a pretty vague deflection. I know government rotary wing assets often have sat grounded for extremely long periods in years gone by with little to no recourse.
Had that have been a contracted operator, penalties would have been huge.
I’m not for, or against either model. Just pointing out what has happened in the past.
Had that have been a contracted operator, penalties would have been huge.
I’m not for, or against either model. Just pointing out what has happened in the past.
The contracted commercial profit making operator is subject to performance obligations and failure penalties BECAUSE they are a contracted, commercial, profit making operator. The Govt operator clearly is not and their KPIs suggest they do at least as good a job for a lot less tax payer money.
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Here and there
Posts: 19
Well that may or may not be true, time will tell. Things are only going from bad to worse, in the last few months 3 engineers and 2 pilots have departed from the FW side of house. Can’t stand the toxic environment any longer apparently. So who is going to drive and maintain the current fleet let alone any new cabs.
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: Brisbane, Qld, Australia
Age: 74
Posts: 1,248
Would make a lot of sense to just contract the whole thing.
Fly a minister to Longreach and arrive midafternoon.
Settle in for the night. Get a call that the aircraft is required for a heart/lung retrieval from Nelson in NZ.
Plan and fly back empty to BN.
New crew plan the NZ flight.
Fly to Nelson.
Wait a minimum of 6 hours on the ground.
Sleep in the aircraft.
Fly to Auckland for fuel and Customs.
Fly back to Brisbane.
The NZ flight is way over the duty limits for any AOC operations.
How would an AOC holder conduct that flight.
Private operations is the only way to conduct that flight unless you positioned a crew in Nelson.
Organ retrievals do not give time to position crew.
The above is not fantasy. It does happen.
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: sierra village
Posts: 358
Could they not arrange for road transport of the organs to CHC to meet the aircraft as it lands? Makes more sense on every level when you take the constraints that you mention into account. Contrary to popular opinion, crews on Private Ops also suffer from fatigue.
