Moruya crash 19/12/19
There you go.... "a single-engine Cessna jet crashed" or
"Civil Aviation Safety Authority spokesman Peter Gibson said a Cessna C210 engine failed while it was cruising and the aircraft hit the ground."
"Civil Aviation Safety Authority spokesman Peter Gibson said a Cessna C210 engine failed while it was cruising and the aircraft hit the ground."
Socials say they went for 04 then came in too high so repositioned for 18. Was still high so went for 36. Seems quite messy but at least they put it down upwind of 18 and didn’t try a last minute low level turn toward 36 which in most cases ends up fatal.
Last edited by PoppaJo; 19th Dec 2019 at 07:31.
Pilot must be seriously due for an AFR if they can’t pull off a glide approach with that much altitude available, like seriously.
The below is possibly not causal to today’s accident, but it could very well be - so here goes!
Maybe the pilot’s last several AFR’s were in twins - FR in which also count for the CR SEA... therefore no requirement for competence to be demonstrated (or maintained) in forced landings without engine power.
But, of course, what are the chances...?
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Australian CASA, who designed that absurd state of affairs...
End of cynical narrative...
I wish a speedy recovery to those on board.
Maybe the pilot’s last several AFR’s were in twins - FR in which also count for the CR SEA... therefore no requirement for competence to be demonstrated (or maintained) in forced landings without engine power.
But, of course, what are the chances...?
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Australian CASA, who designed that absurd state of affairs...
End of cynical narrative...
I wish a speedy recovery to those on board.
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I posted this elsewhere but I'll copy and paste it here:
Before the speculation runs too rampant as it has elsewhere... (Please avoid judgement also, the pilot and passenger were airlifted to Canberra Hospital, the last thing they need right now is negative thoughts).
The facts are:
The flight was from Bankstown to Cambridge (Hobart) cruising at FL160. Approx 20nm past Moruya the engine failed, they were losing 1000fpm. The aircraft was pressurised, it was a P210N model. The aircraft had a turboprop, not piston motor. From this height they were able to make it back to Moruya, but had about 2 minutes at most near the airport to assess the situation/airfield and make their decision (which in the heat of the moment would go very quickly, and keep in mind a normal circuit does take around 6 minutes). They chose to attempt an approach onto 04, however were too high and too close so quickly switched to a circuit onto 18, unfortunately they weren't able to make the final turn and instead of attempting a low level steep turn they chose to put it down straight ahead into the overshoot scrub. The wind throughout the day was gusting to around 40kts and it was hot (so people were at the beach).
Moruya can be a tricky airfield, it does have its characteristics that can catch people off guard, an example being unexpected sink near the river, and when it's windy it can be a challenge due to the terrain & mechanical turbulence.
Given the amount of practice forced landings I've done at Moruya, I think the pilot has done a good job under pressure and whatever decisions they thought were right has ultimately saved their lives (and that's all that matters, aircraft can be replaced), although they probably will be spending Christmas in Canberra Hospital. Hoping they have a speedy recovery.
Before the speculation runs too rampant as it has elsewhere... (Please avoid judgement also, the pilot and passenger were airlifted to Canberra Hospital, the last thing they need right now is negative thoughts).
The facts are:
The flight was from Bankstown to Cambridge (Hobart) cruising at FL160. Approx 20nm past Moruya the engine failed, they were losing 1000fpm. The aircraft was pressurised, it was a P210N model. The aircraft had a turboprop, not piston motor. From this height they were able to make it back to Moruya, but had about 2 minutes at most near the airport to assess the situation/airfield and make their decision (which in the heat of the moment would go very quickly, and keep in mind a normal circuit does take around 6 minutes). They chose to attempt an approach onto 04, however were too high and too close so quickly switched to a circuit onto 18, unfortunately they weren't able to make the final turn and instead of attempting a low level steep turn they chose to put it down straight ahead into the overshoot scrub. The wind throughout the day was gusting to around 40kts and it was hot (so people were at the beach).
Moruya can be a tricky airfield, it does have its characteristics that can catch people off guard, an example being unexpected sink near the river, and when it's windy it can be a challenge due to the terrain & mechanical turbulence.
Given the amount of practice forced landings I've done at Moruya, I think the pilot has done a good job under pressure and whatever decisions they thought were right has ultimately saved their lives (and that's all that matters, aircraft can be replaced), although they probably will be spending Christmas in Canberra Hospital. Hoping they have a speedy recovery.
The below is possibly not causal to today’s accident, but it could very well be - so here goes!
Maybe the pilot’s last several AFR’s were in twins - FR in which also count for the CR SEA... therefore no requirement for competence to be demonstrated (or maintained) in forced landings without engine power.
But, of course, what are the chances...?
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Australian CASA, who designed that absurd state of affairs...
End of cynical narrative...
I wish a speedy recovery to those on board.
Maybe the pilot’s last several AFR’s were in twins - FR in which also count for the CR SEA... therefore no requirement for competence to be demonstrated (or maintained) in forced landings without engine power.
But, of course, what are the chances...?
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Australian CASA, who designed that absurd state of affairs...
End of cynical narrative...
I wish a speedy recovery to those on board.
I note that the “general competency” rule possibly covers this - but many pilots don’t know that they are not competent enough until they get caught out.
Not looking to make flying even more onerous, but this is a real issue that will pop up from time to time and it always looks bad for our industry when the pilot of a single is not able to stick a forced landing - especially when there is an airport right there.
Quite right, Roundsounds. It is unlikely the pilot was an Aussie, but nevertheless my point still stands - it has long baffled me that a pilot who completes all their periodic assessments in a twin never has to demonstrate the ability to judge a FLWOP - but is still okay for singles in this country (and probably others).
I note that the “general competency” rule possibly covers this - but many pilots don’t know that they are not competent enough until they get caught out.
Not looking to make flying even more onerous, but this is a real issue that will pop up from time to time and it always looks bad for our industry when the pilot of a single is not able to stick a forced landing - especially when there is an airport right there.
At some point, in my humble opinion, this becomes the responsibility of the individual. The system is already too onerous and it's unlikely that requiring an AFR for each class rating would have much real effect on outcomes anyway.