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Light plane flips at Moorabbin airport, trapping pilot

Old 12th Dec 2019, 23:26
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Maybe a mishandled go around..? Or completely misjudged how high off the ground he was after ballooning it and stalled it in..? Wonder if there's any footage of the event..? Guess it will all come out in the wash after interviewing the pilot. Another black mark against Soar though.
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 23:30
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Did the ATSB and its siamese twin CAsA issue any "critical safety issue" notification regarding the Angel Flight accidents???
. Yep.! Go by bus, dont fly ,and maintain that Pvt a/c better. Brilliant thinking...NOT
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 13:37
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Ouch, poor kid. Hope he/she'll be fine.

There have really been an eyebrow-raising number of incidents involving Bristells and this school.
Not exactly the kind of stats you'd read in the article of "Flight school owner makes the rich list...".

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Old 14th Dec 2019, 03:15
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It’s a loan from the government that the student pays back once they earn $45,881 gross. It even includes interest, so in some ways, the government is actually profiting from the students, assuming that one day they actually more than $45,881.

I don’t know anyone of my crowd that haven’t paid back their loans.
I would take a stab that only 50% of Soar graduates at best will ever find employment. One reputable flying business owner here has voiced that he would never employ someone at Soar and I don't think he is the only one.

When it comes to this school and Fee-HELP the tax payer is at a loss. Guaranteed.
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Old 14th Dec 2019, 03:32
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As reported on Chan 9 News " Bristell aricraft - a single engine ultralight plan”, this is the actual spelling which I have copied.
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Old 14th Dec 2019, 04:24
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Originally Posted by spektrum View Post

When it comes to this school and Fee-HELP the tax payer is at a loss. Guaranteed.
Why would that be? It’s a simple financing arrangement between the student and the government.
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Old 14th Dec 2019, 05:51
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There is an element of moral hazard in vet fee help. The supplier is not incentivized to be competitive and the repayment responsibility is far in the future for the customer. Hence places like SOAR and many others in different industries.
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Old 14th Dec 2019, 05:52
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The government don't put it in the students' pockets.
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Old 14th Dec 2019, 06:14
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Did I correctly read a recent article on the full extent of student loans as being around $60bn? It was further stated that 'the government' expected 30% of loans to default. That's a lot of taxpayer dollars. I realise that pilot loans are pro
bably a small % of this, but, is there such a desperate shortage of Commercial Pilots about? Not from what I hear.
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Old 14th Dec 2019, 08:17
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If you think it costs a lot to train in this system to be a pilot, imagine what it costs to become a doctor.
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Old 14th Dec 2019, 08:34
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Sqauwk the VET loan available to pilots is the same as a medical, vet or dentistry student. $150 grand. It should cost half that to get a CPL. A doctor/vet/dentist is more likely to get a well paid career under way soon after graduating and isn't reliant on a Class 1 medical. They also have slightly stricter entry requirements.
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Old 14th Dec 2019, 08:48
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Originally Posted by Clare Prop View Post
Sqauwk the VET loan available to pilots is the same as a medical, vet or dentistry student. $150 grand. It should cost half that to get a CPL. A doctor/vet/dentist is more likely to get a well paid career under way soon after graduating and isn't reliant on a Class 1 medical. They also have slightly stricter entry requirements.
Being a university graduate I am acutely aware of how the system works thanks, along with the job prospects of each of the streams.
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Old 14th Dec 2019, 10:01
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Originally Posted by Clare Prop View Post
Sqauwk the VET loan available to pilots is the same as a medical, vet or dentistry student. $150 grand. It should cost half that to get a CPL. A doctor/vet/dentist is more likely to get a well paid career under way soon after graduating and isn't reliant on a Class 1 medical. They also have slightly stricter entry requirements.
In fact, most recent medical graduate won't be earning all that much for at least another few years until they complete their training.
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Old 14th Dec 2019, 18:46
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When is CASA finally going to pull the AOC of this organisation.
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Old 14th Dec 2019, 20:06
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Originally Posted by Clare Prop View Post
Sqauwk the VET loan available to pilots is the same as a medical, vet or dentistry student. $150 grand. It should cost half that to get a CPL. career
It does cost half of that for a CPL... they’re charging around $80k
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Old 15th Dec 2019, 03:20
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Originally Posted by Deceiver View Post
Without going too much into the hearsay, I've heard that the pilot was not supposed to be flying this plane for a number of reasons. This could get VERY interesting for Soar.
Think without more information you've already gone into the hearsay.
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Old 15th Dec 2019, 03:24
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Originally Posted by MikeHatter732 View Post
Saw a fellow Soar Technam take off for Essendon as the Bristell lies upside down surrounded in emergency vehicles.
Thought they closed the airport straight after the accident? Was the Tecnam already at the holding point for the other runway?
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Old 15th Dec 2019, 04:21
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Any more information on what actually happened with the accident?

Sounds like loss of control and a stall doing touch and goes, but anything specific?
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Old 15th Dec 2019, 23:42
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At GoFly Online, we have some thoughts on this subject and recently wrote a blog on the subject of why VET fee needs to change.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 10:44
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That was a great blog. One thing I've noticed is the disparity in ATAR scores required for the other courses that will allow them to borrow that much money. Two are 99 and one is 95. However for this course....Entry Requirements

You must:
  • hold a CASA Class 1 Medical Certificate (see medical requirements)
  • hold an Aviation Security Identity Card (ASIC)
  • be at least 18 years of age once the Commercial Pilot Licence is issued
To assist prospective students to determine whether a course is suitable and appropriate for the individual needs, will assess all students’ language, literacy and numeracy and digital literacy by asking you to undertake a self-assessment review prior to the enrolment.=left

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