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Old 8th Dec 2019, 09:33
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Minimum Licence to fly a 11,000 kg aircraft PVT Ops

Arguing with a friend about the requirements to fly an 11,000 kg aircraft, such as a DC-3 in a private operation.

PPL with ME class rating

DC-3 type rating

Mult-crew endorsement

Class 2 medical.

Correct?
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 09:49
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Sounds about right, for a private operation. And IFR might be helpful. But as soon as other people's money is involved, you'll need a ATPL to be in command of a multi-crew!
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 10:01
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Who’d know these days. Probably depends on what Part 61 says and what you’re going to do with the aircraft. There is no pax limit on private operations. (Please: nobody quote CAR 1988 2(7A) at me as a ‘rule’.)
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 10:22
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Would you really need a Multi-Crew endorsement?
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 14:58
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pretty much on the mark, see below for corrections.
Originally Posted by Guptar View Post
Arguing with a friend about the requirements to fly an 11,000 kg aircraft, such as a DC-3 in a private operation.

PPL with ME class rating (MEA Class Rating not required, the MEA competencies are incorporated in the Type Rating. The MEA Class rating only needed to fly an aeroplane falling under the class, ie one not requiring a Type Rating)

DC-3 type rating

Mult-crew endorsement (Multi-Crew Co-operation Course)

Class 2 medical.

Correct?
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 01:22
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Not sure which seat youíd like to fly her in - having flown a DC-3 in private ops, I still wasnít allowed to fly in command because I didnít have an ATPL, I was only allowed to fly her as an F/O - even in private. Granted this was 10 years ago but I donít think that would have changed?
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 01:25
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Not sure which seat youíd like to fly her in - having flown a DC-3 in private ops, I still wasnít allowed to fly in command because I didnít have an ATPL, I was only allowed to fly her as an F/O - even in private. Granted this was 10 years ago but I donít think that would have changed?
Was that a company or insurance requirement?

Or..........Australia making up the rules, or ignoring them?
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 01:58
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Holder of PPL can fly any aircraft of any weight in Private Operations, provided a type rating is held and IFR rating if required.

Skyway's you were cheated if that was a CASA requirement. Insurance company might up the ante Ö

Enjoy!
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 02:14
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Ballony...what about 2 7 D..? Oh right ...thats about a 'commercial' purpose. Like taking a photo. For money !
SFA to do with 'safety' of course
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 02:15
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ps..and I would really love to hava go at a DC3.
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 04:05
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61.505 Privileges of private pilot licences
Subject to Subpart 61.E and regulation 61.510, the holder of a private pilot licence is authorised to pilot an aircraft as pilot in command or co‑pilot if:
(a) the aircraft is engaged in a private operation; or
(b) the holder is receiving flight training.

61.510 Limitations on exercise of privileges of private pilot licences—multi‑crew operations (1) On and after 1 September 2015, the holder of a private pilot licence is authorised to exercise the privileges of the licence in a multi‑crew operation (my bold) only if the holder has completed an approved course of training in multi‑crew cooperation. When is an operation a multi-crew operation?
- when required by the type certificate; or
- when required by legislation

Subpart 61.E requires, amongst other things, the pilot to hold appropriate Type Ratings as required as well as pilot ratings for the activity (eg: Night and IFR)
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 04:19
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Interesting to note the following from the American EAA Forums (November 2011):

"The piston DC-3 is a single pilot aircraft by type certification. HOWEVER if your DC-3 has been modified to the 1830-94 or the 1820-76 and any Higher horsepower engine that includes a geared rudder tab, you will have an FAA approved flight manual that mandates it a 2 pilot aircraft."

The FAA Flight Manual mentioned above is actually written by an American Insurance Company back in the 1950's and that is the manual that we have to work to in Australia even though there are numbered pages missing from that manual!
The DC3 appears in some recent CASA documentation also as a Single Pilot aircraft, if by chance I am reading the legislation correctly!. .
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 06:31
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Ok pedant mode on...The original question was the minimum licence necessary to fly an aircraft like a DC-3. Technically you can do it with no licence as long as there is an appropriately rated instructor sitting next to you and you are receiving instruction.....
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Ha! Well done, no one. (Thumbs up thingy)
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