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Old 6th Dec 2019, 03:55
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Originally Posted by junior.VH-LFA View Post
The ADF pay their B350 copilots more than that. After theyíve trained them.
Not everyone is in a position to join the defence force. Iím certain this job would be perfectly suitable for many of the applicants.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 06:44
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Sorry, but that is an absolute joke of a salary.
I hope they don’t get a single applicant.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 06:55
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Sorry, but that is an absolute joke of a salary.
I hope they donít get a single applicant.
They may indeed but they are asking for twin applicants...
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 10:43
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Not everyone is in a position to join the defence force. Iím certain this job would be perfectly suitable for many of the applicants.
Dood, I'm sure you're very good at what you do. In fact, I know you are. Would you recommend peeps in your industry applying for jobs at your salary level at half the going rate?
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 11:12
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Originally Posted by The name is Porter View Post
Dood, I'm sure you're very good at what you do. In fact, I know you are. Would you recommend peeps in your industry applying for jobs at your salary level at half the going rate?
$150-$160k, is that the going rate to pilot a Kingair with 1,500 hours on a CPL?

When did that become the norm?

Youíd have to put it into perspective... they are probably not flying many hours per day and it would likely be fairly cruisey for the right candidate.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 11:46
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700 View Post


$150-$160k, is that the going rate to pilot a Kingair with 1,500 hours on a CPL?

When did that become the norm?

You’d have to put it into perspective... they are probably not flying many hours per day and it would likely be fairly cruisey for the right candidate.
You’re kidding, right? As an absolute minimum, it’s a $120k base salary job.

Whats the average wage in Canberra, where every second person is a pen-pushing 9-5 Mon-Fri drone doing basically ****-all on the taxpayers teat?
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 11:58
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Youíre kidding, right? As an absolute minimum, itís a $120k base salary job.

Whats the average wage in Canberra, where every second person is a pen-pushing 9-5 Mon-Fri drone doing basically ****-all on the taxpayers teat?
Wages in Canberra certainly aren't amazing across the board.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 12:07
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Squawk,

Firstly, drop the whole, ‘could get shot at’ holier than thou crap. No one forces anyone to do their jobs, it is a choice. Don’t like it? Stop doing it.

Secondly, are you seriously suggesting that the AFP is willing and ready to put a 1500hr CPL in charge of a 350 in a multirole, day/night, complex, dynamic and ‘flexible’ operation? Sounds really prudent...

The AFP may get applicants at the salary being offered. They may also go on to cost the AFP many many times their salary in mistakes and inefficiencies. When your salary is bottom of the barrel, so is the standard of applicant. How much does a hot section on a PT6 go for these days?

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Old 6th Dec 2019, 12:48
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Originally Posted by j3pipercub View Post
Squawk,

Firstly, drop the whole, Ďcould get shot atí holier than thou crap. No one forces anyone to do their jobs, it is a choice. Donít like it? Stop doing it.

Secondly, are you seriously suggesting that the AFP is willing and ready to put a 1500hr CPL in charge of a 350 in a multirole, day/night, complex, dynamic and Ďflexibleí operation? Sounds really prudent...

The AFP may get applicants at the salary being offered. They may also go on to cost the AFP many many times their salary in mistakes and inefficiencies. When your salary is bottom of the barrel, so is the standard of applicant. How much does a hot section on a PT6 go for these days?

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The problem is that they canít pay any more due to the salary band that they are tied to.

Itís not an airline; itís practically a private operation. These fancy airline EBAís and travel allowances simply donít apply. Iím certain there are plenty of IFR twin pilots zipping around our skies for less than $100k!
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 13:04
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700 View Post
The problem is that they canít pay any more due to the salary band that they are tied to.

Itís not an airline; itís practically a private operation. These fancy airline EBAís and travel allowances simply donít apply. Iím certain there are plenty of IFR twin pilots zipping around our skies for less than $100k!

No it isn't! It's the Federal Police with their vast budget and resources. I wonder what salary bands those guys are on that visited the ABC a while ago?
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 14:06
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700 View Post


Iím certain there are plenty of IFR twin pilots zipping around our skies for less than $100k!
Probably not in a B350.

Sorry, but that is just a ridiculously low salary for that job description. As has been said already, a hot section on a PT6 is worth more than half that years wage, and itíll happen pretty quickly flying it single pilot with no experience on type.

If you have experience on type, you wonít be flying it for that little.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 08:54
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Whatever happened to their C208?
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 09:41
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Seriously, why on earth do the AFP need an aircraft at all? Plenty of RPT services or charter outfits or even set up a contractor for say a 3 year period. I weep for the poor taxpayer!
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 11:41
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From what I understand, after speaking to someone in the know, this role, with overtime and loading will average around $120k. You also canít lose your job and if you did, redundancy is massive. Itís a great addition to your resume as well.

As with most government jobs, itís all in the overtime.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 11:50
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Originally Posted by longrass View Post
From what I understand, after speaking to someone in the know....

Squawk7700?

Seriously, it’s a pathetic salary for a B350 Captain flying around at all hours.
They’ll get some low quality applications from people who just want a few hours of turbine in the book before moving on, and as others have said they’ll probably end up spending far more on maintenance and training the endless new pilots than they would by simply paying a proper wage to start with.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 12:21
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Originally Posted by deja vu View Post
Seriously, why on earth do the AFP need an aircraft at all? Plenty of RPT services or charter outfits or even set up a contractor for say a 3 year period. I weep for the poor taxpayer!
You obviously havenít seen what they get up to ;-)

Ops would not be limited to ACT and itís not just flying around passengers.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 12:38
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It's all in the OT eh? That's what makes your salary good eh? So once you're F&D are exhausted you wash the the plane? Do admin? Data entry? Awesome.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 19:58
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You also canít lose your job and if you did, redundancy is massive.
If only that was true! Iíd love a job where I could never lose it, especially if I lost my medical or they outsourced their flying contracts, because thatís never happened before!
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 02:42
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How does it compare????

Australian Airline wages compilation
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 09:25
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Originally Posted by j3pipercub View Post
Squawk,

Firstly, drop the whole, Ďcould get shot atí holier than thou crap. No one forces anyone to do their jobs, it is a choice. Donít like it? Stop doing it.

Secondly, are you seriously suggesting that the AFP is willing and ready to put a 1500hr CPL in charge of a 350 in a multirole, day/night, complex, dynamic and Ďflexibleí operation? Sounds really prudent...

The AFP may get applicants at the salary being offered. They may also go on to cost the AFP many many times their salary in mistakes and inefficiencies. When your salary is bottom of the barrel, so is the standard of applicant. How much does a hot section on a PT6 go for these days?

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L3, Mag aerospace and a few others put low time guys in charge of 350ís doing similar jobs for the US DOD all over the world, not just flying circles around Victoria. That being said their pilots are being paid north of 160k USD 3 weeks on/off.
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