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New Radio Procedures at/near Ballina - CASA

Old 25th Nov 2019, 23:44
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Angel New Radio Procedures at/near Ballina - CASA

Email Received this morning, Tues 26/11....
Be heard, be seen, be safe at Ballina

Flying in and out of Ballina will be changing from Thursday 5 December 2019.Due to the increase in air traffic in the area, all aircraft flying between the surface and 8,500 feet within 10 nautical miles will be required to make radio calls.This change is to improve the situational awareness of pilots flying in and out of Ballina.The Common Traffic Advisory Frequency (CTAF) at Ballina, Lismore, Casino and Evans Head will remain unchanged (124.2 MHz).This information has been published via NOTAM for Ballina and a supplement for the Aeronautical Information Package (AIP). Chart updates will occur in May next year. You can also view the instrument on the Federal Register of Legislation.Whilst this change is being implemented to improve pilot situational awareness, it is important to still maintain a good visual look out for other aircraft.If you are unsure of what radio calls to use in uncontrolled airspace, you can view our operations and non-controlled aerodromes webpage and download our Be heard, be seen, be safe – radio procedures in non-controlled airspace booklet.
So.…Does this ,make Ballina airspace, 'Alphabet +'...?

Cheeerrrsss....

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Old 26th Nov 2019, 02:57
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The only thing the Ballina Radio “CA/GRS” does is clog up the frequency and reduce safety IMO. Having old mate in his RA registered machine who takes another 5 minutes to tell us he’s at 500ft coastal won’t help.

Jets do fine at other aerodromes with private traffic.

Make it a controlled aerodrome.

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Old 26th Nov 2019, 03:51
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On average, 15 commercial movements a day, 1500 passengers a day, and in total over half a million people moved in the area over the last year and still no tower.......even to cover the commercial traffic.

Fascinating.



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Old 26th Nov 2019, 04:08
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How many passengers does Hamilton Island have a day? Time to bite the bullet and just put a Tower in there. Apparently the Jetstar CEO has stated that if there is one more incident at BNA then they will withdraw from the route. Lets hope the next JQ incident is not on the Deep Water Horizon scale.
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 04:27
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Originally Posted by ramble on View Post
1500 passengers a day, and in total over half a million people moved in the area over the last year
So all those RPT's were departing pax free?
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 07:45
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I’ve some genius ideas: Let’s call these designated areas “Mandatory Broadcast Zones”. Heck, if there’s a dude or dudette on the ground providing information, let’s call the areas “Aerodrome Flight Information Zones”. Copyright Lead Balloon 2019.

15 commercial movements in a day? In one day? The mind boggles.

I recall around 120 aircraft departing at 30 second intervals during each leg of the Bicentennial Round Australia Air Race. All taking off from the same runway and all going to the same destination. Within 5 or so minutes after take off a cabin full of pilots couldn’t spot another aircraft in the sky.

Still fascinates me that some RPT pilots are prepared to fly in and out of aerodromes in G but balk at Class E airspace. Both rely on LCDs complying with the rules. I can’t see how the difference in airspace makes an LCD any more or less prone to error or compliant with the applicable rules.
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 07:49
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You smart bastard, if you hadn't of trademarked it I would have.
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 07:59
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But the important issue is safety, TNIP. Could you imagine 15 commercial movements in a day at an aerodrome that isn’t in controlled airspace? Count them: 15!
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 08:27
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LB pay attention. It is not the fact of only 15 RPT mvts it is all the other traffic in the area. Air race departures are irrelevant. Time separated and same direction.. Do you have a better idea?
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 08:39
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Yes: The 30 second separation in departures in the same direction was what caused the ‘safety’. No non-race aircraft in the sky of course. They were banned for the duration of the Race. Nobody else in the sky.

Departures at greater intervals in different directions would, presumably, be less ‘safe’?

I know you earnestly believe in this stuff Vag. Good for you. But your opinions are based on perceptions rather than experience in places where there’s real traffic density.
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 08:52
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And before I forget: Let’s say out loud why Ballina (and Ayers Rock) don’t have a control tower:

Affordable safety.
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 09:12
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
I’ve some genius ideas: Let’s call these designated areas “Mandatory Broadcast Zones”. Heck, if there’s a dude or dudette on the ground providing information, let’s call the areas “Aerodrome Flight Information Zones”. Copyright Lead Balloon 2019.

15 commercial movements in a day? In one day? The mind boggles.

I recall around 120 aircraft departing at 30 second intervals during each leg of the Bicentennial Round Australia Air Race. All taking off from the same runway and all going to the same destination. Within 5 or so minutes after take off a cabin full of pilots couldn’t spot another aircraft in the sky.

Still fascinates me that some RPT pilots are prepared to fly in and out of aerodromes in G but balk at Class E airspace. Both rely on LCDs complying with the rules. I can’t see how the difference in airspace makes an LCD any more or less prone to error or compliant with the applicable rules.
The difference between an air race and an RPT jet is that there might be a bit more care factor in the broader community if 180 pax are killed in a midair compared with a two or three indulgees doing their thing in a light aircraft.


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So what is your betteridea?
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But RPT aircraft with 180 pax on board are still mixing it with “indulgees doing their thing in a light aircraft” in G at Ballina and Ayers Rock, The Banjo. Yet no control zone and control tower. Why?

Surely the safety of air navigation and the safety of those 180 pax has no price, or a price that far exceeds the price of the establishment and maintenance of a control zone and control tower. Why have they not been established?

Why Vag?
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 09:35
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Is there a pilot forum where children are not allowed?

Glad to see a few more starters for a tower.
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 09:39
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No Cap’n, there isn’t.

And the adults will understand why there is no controlled airspace or control tower around and at places like Ballina, Ayers Rock, Mildura ....
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Ask. mr smith
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 09:57
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Mr Smith has no regulatory power.

CASA could make an instrument, tomorrow, imposing conditions on the holders of all pilots licences, prohibiting them from being the pilot in command of an RPT aircraft operating to or from an aerodrome in Class G airspace, or just Ballina or Ayers Rock. The safety of air demands it! Why is this not happening, Vag? The 180 passengers to which The Banjo referred are at risk NOW!
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But the important issue is safety, TNIP. Could you imagine 15 commercial movements in a day at an aerodrome that isn’t in controlled airspace? Count them: 15!
Mate, seriously, I'm flabbergasted, I don't know why some of the best nanny governments in the world are not onto this.

Why is there a Tower at Albury but not Wagga? and Ballina? and The (un-climable) Rock??
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 11:27
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Ballina is the Byron Gateway. All sorts of non RPT traffic have enjoyed this beautiful part of our country for many decades. So a RPT pilot doesn't want 'old matey in his RA registered aircraft calling up he is coastal". Wow. Get over yourselves. That's what he is supposed to do. Just load the Rnav..Watch it fly the 10 mile finals and everyone gets out of the way. Seeya later 20 mins after as you head back to Sydney. Its not rocket science. t's never seems to be much of any issue except for the serial whingers. Sure the frequency is congested because 4 airfields are on the one frequency. . That is the source of most of our frustration. But constant whining about Ballina radio (who are totally professional in.my experience) through to anyone who is not flying RPT is a bore..It's not a safety issue IMO. .It's an ego issue as is so often the case in aviation where everyone thinks everyone else shouldn't be there or is at least a pain in their ass. It's a beautiful place and people other tHan RPT should have access to it.

It's odd because i find that in the real world, pilots and ATC are so professional and courteous almost all the time.. I am constantly impressed by ATC because it seems such a thankless job. Be nice to see more positivity here too but maybe the long hours doing the same thing tend to knock that out and i can understand that.
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