Further damage to GA by airport operators

[illusion]

Aviators are not the only ones getting slugged.


https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/...30-p535uz.html

somehow I don't your situation will elicit much support in the broader community.

[The name is Porter]

Australia the lucky country

When you know the context of that quote you'll understand how appropriate it is to this thread.

[ramble on]

Australia Incorporated - it’s been the “Great Australian Selloff” over my lifetime.

I would happily pay fees for anything if I knew that what I was paying for was a public asset and those fees were for ploughed back into that infrastructure.

Now, our country’s infrastructure is just another source of profit for Big Business. Instead of a government truly governing with a capital G everything is in the hands of private enterprise and short term profit is king.

This brand of Capitalism is truly short sighted and we are on a slippery steep slope downward.

[ramble on]

And on Transurban, I am doing my bit....I don’t use toll roads.

[aroa]

Anna Blight- on- the- Landscape flogged of Cairns airport for abt 1/2 its real value, and annually it was contributing millions to the Govt/Taxpayers coffers. The sale price was claimed to be for a new Cairns Hospital further inland from the coast...which never happened.
She also put on a song and dance at YMBA...just prior to the election.. as a vote buying exercise offered 15 mil for an upgrade. That didnt happen then either.
Lost the election tho' ...but no matter, slides into a fab sinecure as CEO of Bankers Association.
THe Lucky Country?... for some. I think we now have UN status as an NDBR....Newly Developing Banana Republic.

[bankrunner]

Originally Posted by Okihara

Have hi-vis vests ever been useful in preventing accidents? Is there any incontrovertible data on the matter? I see people with and without such attire walking around MB all the time. Unless someone's skin is apron-coloured, I can't say they're hard to notice.

I once had a ARO spot me, and drive over from the other side of the field to give me a lecture for not wearing a high vis vest.

[Capt Fathom]

Which goes to show, you don't need a hi vis vest to be seen!

[Squawk7700]

Originally Posted by bankrunner

I once had a ARO spot me, and drive over from the other side of the field to give me a lecture for not wearing a high vis vest.

Is that written somewhere? Can’t see it in ERSA.

[bankrunner]

I don't think it's written anywhere at all. Old mate must have been having a slow day.

[Aussie Bob]

The hi-viz vest is a reasonable precaution when wandering unaccompanied around active airports - any hazard analysis would come up with such a mitigation - and if they don't ask for it then you could sue them if you a have an accident.

Blimey Is that tongue in cheek or are you serious? Perhaps you are judging others on your own abilities or lack thereof?

[aroa]

1..Jeez...why stop at a Dayglo Fashion Statement.?
Hard Hard... you could get stuck by debris thrown up by prop wash or jet blast, head protection
Flack jacket..body protection re same
Ear Muffs... for the 'safety' protection of your hearing...jet noise etc.
Steel cap shoes ...could get yr foot run over.
Safety goggles...gotta protect yr eyes from dust, grit.n.sh*t as a result of 1.

A 150 page Reg doc regarding, will stipulate a strict liability offence that on leaving the aircraft not such attired will be 100 penalty points or confiscation of the aircraft. Dont larf !
2. We really do need a revolution.

[Ironpot]

Originally Posted by bankrunner

I once had a ARO spot me, and drive over from the other side of the field to give me a lecture for not wearing a high vis vest.

ditto but because my ASIC was back to front i.e. the back was showing.

In mitigation I think the AFP were on the field somewhere.

[The name is Porter]

In mitigation I think the AFP were on the field somewhere.

I doubt they would have picked it up.

[YPJT]

Ho hum, another week - another grenade lobbed by Dick.
isn't the hi viz requirement somewhere in CAOs? Although I think it only applies if walking across taxiways.

[Victa Bravo]

Can someone tell me what would actually happen should someone land without the appropriate notice given? Bit different for you Dick I would imagine as aerodrome operators would quickly run off to the media whinging Dick's not playing by the rules waaa waaa... but how could a fella be punished if he just lobbed up ???

[YPJT]

Originally Posted by Victa Bravo

Can someone tell me what would actually happen should someone land without the appropriate notice given??

has anyone actually called the airports mentioned and inquired as to the reasons for the PN requirements?

a lot of airports have it, I just called ahead and they said yup no problem it’s just so we can manage the available parking space.
One Pilbara airport a few years back had a flying circus turn up unannounced which created problems with keeping the RPT bays clear of infringements. ARO did a good job of squeezing them in. Not sure if the required distances were met though.

As for hi viz. you can’t go to any workplace these days to areas which are not generally accessible to the public without one. Argue all you like about whether or not they are necessary but it will not be you in the witness box explaining to counsel at an inquest as to the reasons why you did not find it necessary to impose a simple mitigation measure

[thorn bird]

Passengers sometimes walk across an apron.
Why are they not required to wear Hi Viz?
As far as I'm aware, since 1945, only one person has been struck by
a vehicle on an apron and killed, and he was wearing high viz.
Is a pilots white shirt any harder to see than a yellow high Viz against a black apron?
Given the number of pedestrians killed each year on our footpaths, should all
pedestrians not be required to wear High Viz?
Will OH&S issues eventually destroy the Australian economy?

[Pearly White]

Originally Posted by thorn bird

Passengers sometimes walk across an apron.
Why are they not required to wear Hi Viz?
As far as I'm aware, since 1945, only one person has been struck by
a vehicle on an apron and killed, and he was wearing high viz.
Is a pilots white shirt any harder to see than a yellow high Viz against a black apron?
Given the number of pedestrians killed each year on our footpaths, should all
pedestrians not be required to wear High Viz?
Will OH&S issues eventually destroy the Australian economy?

You're forgetting about the safety and personal protection equipment economy.
Accidents don't have to be fatal to be life-changing. Golfer Jack Newton lost his right arm and right eye when he walked into a spinning prop at Mascot in 1983. Not sure a fluoro vest would have prevented that accident - widespread rumour at the time was that he was pretty well lit up from a long drinking session. I believe apron safety procedures were blamed. Duh!

[Aussie Bob]

As for hi viz. you can’t go to any workplace these days to areas which are not generally accessible to the public without one. Argue all you like about whether or not they are necessary but it will not be you in the witness box explaining to counsel at an inquest as to the reasons why you did not find it necessary to impose a simple mitigation measure

Oh dear, is that what we have arrived at or is that taken from some scare rave at an OH&S meeting or ARO training day? We are talking about walking around on an airport here, not hanging out under a crane on a building site.

Aussies seem to have lost the plot. I often visit the USA where this litigation stuff supposedly originated. Safety vests seem optional most places in the USA, even at a big building site I recently visited in Kansas City, very few folk were wearing them. Cranes were operating, lots going on. No-one asked me to put one on. I guess the Yanks take personal responsibility a bit more seriously than Aussies do.

But back to the airports ..... and the guvmint that privatised them. Short memories abound in Australia too. Some of the bastards that promoted this privatisation and sell it to your mates ****e are still in office.

[thorn bird]

Airport privatisation was probably the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the Australian people.