Is There Any Evidence The RAAF Has A Positive Attitude To GA?
Originally Posted by Sunfish
There would be social justice warriors crying in the gutters over the outrage. Then feminists would demand to know why only boys did this. Then the transgender lobby would swing in. FFS, there is nothing sacred about aviation as an activity except to CASA.
Thread Starter
My point is that what some young folks think is "all right" today in terms of restrictions on freedom to do things is not OK to previous generations who had less restrictions. However the younger folk wouldn't know this because they never experienced it and therefore cannot see the slow deterioration. Everywhere you look, there is the encroachment of Orwellian authoritarianism, not least in Aviation, but younger folk are blind to it.
Do you now understand?
Do you now understand?
My point is that what some young folks think is "all right" today in terms of restrictions on freedom to do things is not OK to previous generations who had less restrictions. However the younger folk wouldn't know this because they never experienced it and therefore cannot see the slow deterioration. Everywhere you look, there is the encroachment of Orwellian authoritarianism, not least in Aviation, but younger folk are blind to it.
Do you now understand?
Do you now understand?
I understand. Social justice warriors, feminists and the transgender lobby are organs of a totalitarian state hell bent on stamping out school boys catching trams with rifles.
My point is that what some young folks think is "all right" today in terms of restrictions on freedom to do things is not OK to previous generations who had less restrictions. However the younger folk wouldn't know this because they never experienced it and therefore cannot see the slow deterioration. Everywhere you look, there is the encroachment of Orwellian authoritarianism, not least in Aviation, but younger folk are blind to it.
Do you now understand?
Do you now understand?
Do you understand that most of the "promulgated" restricted airspace beyond the 12 mile limit has absolutely no legal standing, another Australian conceit, it is international airspace.
You are probably not aware that US forces frequently make the point by operating in this airspace without a "clearance". They politely advise of their intentions, but do not request any permissions.
Put another way, they treat Australia exactly the same way as China within international waters/airspace in the South China Sea.
Tootle pip!!
Sqawk7700,
You miss the whole point, most of the on shore restricted airspace should not be restricted at all, eliminating most of the need for the negotiations, to which you refer.
You are grateful for being thrown crumbs ---- sad.
Just have a look at the standard size for a US or NATO/RAF zone, compared to here.
As to "light", GA, RAOz, and all the other alphabet soup orgs.
And to further disappoint you, my RAOz membership and medical is all up to date.
You and your ilk are too stupid to realise that we live in a dynamic world (“dynamic = characterised by constant change). What I am trying to explain to all you boiling frogs is that the glass wasn’t always completely empty. It doesn’t have to be empty in future either.
The boiling frog doesn’t know it’s being boiled because the temperature change is gradual. So has been the loss of your aviation freedoms. ASICS, the continual attempts at encroachment by bureaucrats on your basic operations in the name of “safety”, the use of the criminal code, capricious enforcement, etc., etc. and you think this is normal??? Perhaps to you it is. I remember different times - and that allows me to think of different possibilities for the future.
You are obviously content with the status quo, I see a trend to even more authoritarianism in the future, for example, how would you like your stupid little “e-health” record to be automatically shared with CASA Avmed? That is only the beginning of how “big data” is potentially going to change your life and freedoms.
And now the days of just walking into a hangar without an ASIC are gone on some airports, then there is the OH&S crowd, then there is what has been done Angel Flight and Glen Buckley, and you sit there, Pangloss like, and think you live in the best of all possible worlds? You have been conditioned like one of Pavlov’s dogs, to enjoy your captivity!
To put it another way, how horrified would you be to learn that when I was a kid, I carried my military rifle to school or the range on public transport. Think of it! Whole cities would be in lockdown if that happened today! There would be social justice warriors crying in the gutters over the outrage. Then feminists would demand to know why only boys did this. Then the transgender lobby would swing in. FFS, there is nothing sacred about aviation as an activity except to CASA.
I am with sunny on this one. If you go to Switzerland at the right time of the year you will see thousands of assault rifles on trains, trams buses, motor bikes, push bikes and the like when the Swiss nationals, who are trained to use them go to do their annual accreditation training. Incidentally, there is no armed crime in Switzerland and very little crime of any sort, who would break into a dwelling that had a fully loaded assault rifle with 24 rounds of ammunition and a person who is trained to use it?
flighthappens,
Do you understand that most of the "promulgated" restricted airspace beyond the 12 mile limit has absolutely no legal standing, another Australian conceit, it is international airspace.
You are probably not aware that US forces frequently make the point by operating in this airspace without a "clearance". They politely advise of their intentions, but do not request any permissions.
Put another way, they treat Australia exactly the same way as China within international waters/airspace in the South China Sea.
Do you understand that most of the "promulgated" restricted airspace beyond the 12 mile limit has absolutely no legal standing, another Australian conceit, it is international airspace.
You are probably not aware that US forces frequently make the point by operating in this airspace without a "clearance". They politely advise of their intentions, but do not request any permissions.
Put another way, they treat Australia exactly the same way as China within international waters/airspace in the South China Sea.
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I'm just a lay person, not a 'jet transport pilot' even. But I'm tipping there's some pretty sophisticated **** on board the F aircraft the RAAF operate? So why the need for all this restricted airspace when there's not a chance in hell they'd smash into you? Obviously some of the restricted stuff, they'd want to protect some ground secrets etc.
I am with sunny on this one. If you go to Switzerland at the right time of the year you will see thousands of assault rifles on trains, trams buses, motor bikes, push bikes and the like when the Swiss nationals, who are trained to use them go to do their annual accreditation training. Incidentally, there is no armed crime in Switzerland and very little crime of any sort, who would break into a dwelling that had a fully loaded assault rifle with 24 rounds of ammunition and a person who is trained to use it?
Now, if the NRA wanted to back those type of measures, plus introduce the type of licencing and training that goes with gun ownership in the Switzerland, I'm sure gun deaths would plummet.
Doesn't seem to be the average NRA members agenda, however......
Thread Starter
The point is that we used to trust people in Australia. Apparently not any more. We are back in the old days where the Government treats us like convicts.
Remember when you where young, older people complained about the world today and reminisced about the good old days?
Now look in the mirror......
flighthappens,
Do you understand that most of the "promulgated" restricted airspace beyond the 12 mile limit has absolutely no legal standing, another Australian conceit, it is international airspace.
You are probably not aware that US forces frequently make the point by operating in this airspace without a "clearance". They politely advise of their intentions, but do not request any permissions.
Put another way, they treat Australia exactly the same way as China within international waters/airspace in the South China Sea.
Tootle pip!!
Sqawk7700,
You miss the whole point, most of the on shore restricted airspace should not be restricted at all, eliminating most of the need for the negotiations, to which you refer.
You are grateful for being thrown crumbs ---- sad.
Just have a look at the standard size for a US or NATO/RAF zone, compared to here.
As to "light", GA, RAOz, and all the other alphabet soup orgs.
And to further disappoint you, my RAOz membership and medical is all up to date.
Do you understand that most of the "promulgated" restricted airspace beyond the 12 mile limit has absolutely no legal standing, another Australian conceit, it is international airspace.
You are probably not aware that US forces frequently make the point by operating in this airspace without a "clearance". They politely advise of their intentions, but do not request any permissions.
Put another way, they treat Australia exactly the same way as China within international waters/airspace in the South China Sea.
Tootle pip!!
Sqawk7700,
You miss the whole point, most of the on shore restricted airspace should not be restricted at all, eliminating most of the need for the negotiations, to which you refer.
You are grateful for being thrown crumbs ---- sad.
Just have a look at the standard size for a US or NATO/RAF zone, compared to here.
As to "light", GA, RAOz, and all the other alphabet soup orgs.
And to further disappoint you, my RAOz membership and medical is all up to date.
I’m also aware that the US has many ‘W’ airspace areas outside of 12NM. Within their FIR.
I’ve heard you trot out this ‘fact’ many times. Personally I never seen, nor heard, of a US aircraft conducting essentially what is a FONOP through Australian ‘R’ designated offshore airspace. It is completely counter to why they come to visit (enhance cooperation, integration, and build relationships). If it is as frequent as what you say I’m sure you will provide some good evidence....
im still struggling to see how and why your average GA guy is effected by this?
