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Is There Any Evidence The RAAF Has A Positive Attitude To GA?

Old 22nd Oct 2019, 09:50
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The RAAF also will pay for their pilots, when they are on duties where they are not getting a lot of hours, to keep their flying skills up, in GA.
Pilots are getting civilian endorsements, doing training, hiring aircraft etc, from GA operators, encouraged and paid for by the RAAF, so putting money back into GA. Good for their pilots, good for GA.
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 10:45
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Sunfish, I knew General Aviation when he was still Cadet Aviation in the military. He was good then, and still is.
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 12:22
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Thank you once again for your positive responses. I will now shut up on this subject.
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 13:53
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We can only hope.
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 14:05
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Unfortunately Sunfish has been brainwashed by Australia’s very own expert in all things aviation Leadsled AKA Figjam...
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 01:44
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Good robust survey.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 02:02
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
Good robust survey.
LOL, I was trying to think of the right words to use to say that myself.

One person writes something positive and that was enough to convince him!
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 03:58
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VH-MLE,
funnily enough the originator of this thread is often referred to as the illegitimate love child of who you refer to.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 07:08
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Unfortunately Sunfish has been brainwashed by Australia’s very own expert in all things aviation Leadsled AKA Figjam...
MLE,
I wouldn't want you to be disappointed, so I will throw in my two bob's worth.

The military in Australia, mostly the RAAF, has a very negative effect on ALL aviation in Australia, but particularly light aviation, because of the vast tracts of restricted airspace.

By any comparison, US, Canadian or UK/Europe, the extent of military restricted airspace in Australia is simply ridiculous, even without any consideration of the extent of military traffic, which, in Australia, is minimal, compared to, say, the US.

Or the extent in UK, and don't forget, the UK largely fits on two 1:500,000 topos.---- then have a look at RAF/RN activity.

As I will never forget, at a meeting in Canberra on the subject, quite some time back, the RAAF position was made very clear, I quote: "We won World War II, it all belongs to us".

And, to this day, legislatively this remains fundamentally the case, again in total contrast to almost every country, which would normally be compared to Australia.

The comparison with US is stark, again, a little while ago (and I doubt anything has changed) it was a correct statement to make: There is more military restricted airspace ar Williamstown/Richmond/Nowra, alone, than the whole of the USA.

Tootle pip!!
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 08:27
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The military in Australia, mostly the RAAF, has a very negative effect on ALL aviation in Australia, but particularly light aviation, because of the vast tracts of restricted airspace.
What year / century are you referring to?

LS, when was the last time you flew as PIC in a light aircraft through military airspace in Australia and were you denied a clearance that time or any previous times?

If you’re talking “very light” aircraft such as RA-Aus, the RAAF have worked very closely with RA-Aus to implement some VFR routes to open up such airspace to make it easier and arguably safer to navigate through it. That is an overwhelmingly positive result.

I say again, the good old days from your own words on many of your previous posts, weren’t so “good.”

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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 20:28
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I will now shut up on this subject.
Why just this one subject?

If fellow Ppruners didn’t have to read any of your glass completely empty ramblings, nor more “Tootle Pip”, the world would surely be a better place.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 21:12
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Originally Posted by Slippery_Pete


Why just this one subject?

If fellow Ppruners didn’t have to read any of your glass completely empty ramblings, nor more “Tootle Pip”, the world would surely be a better place.
In the words of Terry Gene Bollea, "Hell yeah, Brother!"
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 23:10
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Originally Posted by Slippery_Pete


Why just this one subject?

If fellow Ppruners didn’t have to read any of your glass completely empty ramblings, nor more “Tootle Pip”, the world would surely be a better place.
You and your ilk are too stupid to realise that we live in a dynamic world (“dynamic = characterised by constant change). What I am trying to explain to all you boiling frogs is that the glass wasn’t always completely empty. It doesn’t have to be empty in future either.

The boiling frog doesn’t know it’s being boiled because the temperature change is gradual. So has been the loss of your aviation freedoms. ASICS, the continual attempts at encroachment by bureaucrats on your basic operations in the name of “safety”, the use of the criminal code, capricious enforcement, etc., etc. and you think this is normal??? Perhaps to you it is. I remember different times - and that allows me to think of different possibilities for the future.

You are obviously content with the status quo, I see a trend to even more authoritarianism in the future, for example, how would you like your stupid little “e-health” record to be automatically shared with CASA Avmed? That is only the beginning of how “big data” is potentially going to change your life and freedoms.

And now the days of just walking into a hangar without an ASIC are gone on some airports, then there is the OH&S crowd, then there is what has been done Angel Flight and Glen Buckley, and you sit there, Pangloss like, and think you live in the best of all possible worlds? You have been conditioned like one of Pavlov’s dogs, to enjoy your captivity!

To put it another way, how horrified would you be to learn that when I was a kid, I carried my military rifle to school or the range on public transport. Think of it! Whole cities would be in lockdown if that happened today! There would be social justice warriors crying in the gutters over the outrage. Then feminists would demand to know why only boys did this. Then the transgender lobby would swing in. FFS, there is nothing sacred about aviation as an activity except to CASA.
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Calling people 'stupid' will open doors for you I'm told and is good way of encouraging spirited and honest communication.
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 00:41
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You and your ilk are too stupid to realise that we live in a dynamic world (“dynamic = characterised by constant change). What I am trying to explain to all you boiling frogs is that the glass wasn’t always completely empty. It doesn’t have to be empty in future either.

The boiling frog doesn’t know it’s being boiled because the temperature change is gradual. So has been the loss of your aviation freedoms. ASICS, the continual attempts at encroachment by bureaucrats on your basic operations in the name of “safety”, the use of the criminal code, capricious enforcement, etc., etc. and you think this is normal??? Perhaps to you it is. I remember different times - and that allows me to think of different possibilities for the future.

You are obviously content with the status quo, I see a trend to even more authoritarianism in the future, for example, how would you like your stupid little “e-health” record to be automatically shared with CASA Avmed? That is only the beginning of how “big data” is potentially going to change your life and freedoms.

And now the days of just walking into a hangar without an ASIC are gone on some airports, then there is the OH&S crowd, then there is what has been done Angel Flight and Glen Buckley, and you sit there, Pangloss like, and think you live in the best of all possible worlds? You have been conditioned like one of Pavlov’s dogs, to enjoy your captivity!

To put it another way, how horrified would you be to learn that when I was a kid, I carried my military rifle to school or the range on public transport. Think of it! Whole cities would be in lockdown if that happened today! There would be social justice warriors crying in the gutters over the outrage. Then feminists would demand to know why only boys did this. Then the transgender lobby would swing in. FFS, there is nothing sacred about aviation as an activity except to CASA.
nice. None of which is to do with the RAAF.

The vast majority of the RAAF restricted airspace is offshore, where I imagine that most light GA traffic aren’t interested in going.
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 00:49
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Originally Posted by Sunfish


You and your ilk are too stupid to realise that we live in a dynamic world (“dynamic = characterised by constant change). What I am trying to explain to all you boiling frogs is that the glass wasn’t always completely empty. It doesn’t have to be empty in future either.

The boiling frog doesn’t know it’s being boiled because the temperature change is gradual. So has been the loss of your aviation freedoms. ASICS, the continual attempts at encroachment by bureaucrats on your basic operations in the name of “safety”, the use of the criminal code, capricious enforcement, etc., etc. and you think this is normal??? Perhaps to you it is. I remember different times - and that allows me to think of different possibilities for the future.

You are obviously content with the status quo, I see a trend to even more authoritarianism in the future, for example, how would you like your stupid little “e-health” record to be automatically shared with CASA Avmed? That is only the beginning of how “big data” is potentially going to change your life and freedoms.

And now the days of just walking into a hangar without an ASIC are gone on some airports, then there is the OH&S crowd, then there is what has been done Angel Flight and Glen Buckley, and you sit there, Pangloss like, and think you live in the best of all possible worlds? You have been conditioned like one of Pavlov’s dogs, to enjoy your captivity!

To put it another way, how horrified would you be to learn that when I was a kid, I carried my military rifle to school or the range on public transport. Think of it! Whole cities would be in lockdown if that happened today! There would be social justice warriors crying in the gutters over the outrage. Then feminists would demand to know why only boys did this. Then the transgender lobby would swing in. FFS, there is nothing sacred about aviation as an activity except to CASA.
The question was 'Is There Any Evidence the RAAF Has a Positive Attitude to GA?' and your response consists of, to put it kindly, complaints about ASICs, e-health, Avmed, OH&S, taking a rifle to school, feminists, the transgender lobby and CASA. Now I can't see the connection with the RAAF or am I a little too dumb and conditioned to be able to follow your logic?

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Old 24th Oct 2019, 02:17
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I got a positive answer to the question I asked and responded at post#20. The rest is ad hominem BS.

To put it another way “Darwinism”, you obviously haven’t read the discussion.
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Ignore this angry old man. He has had his day and is desperate for attention. Don't feed the troll!
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