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Old 5th Nov 2019, 21:34
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They still aren't flying. I thought it was only for 3 days to get information about the fleet. What's the latest?
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 23:50
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The "Training" industry has become a large scale scam.

A whistleblower at Murdoch university is being sued by the university for telling the world they exploit their students. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-...-case/11641228

Training "colleges" that rip off poor people or don't even train anyone. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-06/private-college-reaped-$2m-from-students-but-never-taught-class/11662164
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 01:42
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From what I have heard there might be a couple of other organisations in Victoria that might have some management going on the run.

If they are not, they should be if the rumours are true.

Gaol time you bastards.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 02:25
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
Clare, the rich list are often “self reported”. The really smart people stay away from such fripperies as rich lists because they don’t want to be targeted and ambushed by charities, get rich quick schemers and the ever present clowns targeting their children. They are often very afraid of publicity.

Furthermore, from my experience, if you around some of these people long enough, you will discover the unpleasant truth about how they made their millions. Many of them I would call “not nice to be with” types.
Interesting, thanks Sunny.Perhaps not such a good idea to stick his head above the parapet when there were already complaints coming in.

Meanwhile, another article by Robyn Ironside in The Australian today. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...c1d0e0d1f5896c



And from the ABC: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-06/private-college-reaped-$2m-from-students-but-never-taught-class/11662164

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Old 6th Nov 2019, 05:23
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There is another article by Robyn Ironside in The Australian, another on the ABC site about "ghost colleges"
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 07:00
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I wonder how them there details on the aircraft are going? Scanning and emailing should have it done in 3 days? Must be using snail mail? The 21 day countdown is on.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 08:21
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Originally Posted by The name is Porter View Post
I wonder how them there details on the aircraft are going? Scanning and emailing should have it done in 3 days? Must be using snail mail? The 21 day countdown is on.
Probably takes a lot longer when you're having to cover up and shred it as you go as well, haha.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 10:20
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Probably takes a lot longer when you're having to cover up and shred it as you go as well, haha.
There's that!
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 10:37
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-06/private-college-reaped-$2m-from-students-but-never-taught-class/11662164
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 10:54
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from the article posted by Clare:
"He ran a security business in 2003"
There's another industry long overdue for a shakeup.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 18:50
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A bit of advice for all students.

I hope this doesn't count as a thread drift, but the intention is to give some students, a pointer to help them assess early on in their training, as to the quality of their training, and potentially avoid these problems snowballing.

There are probably dozens of indicators, but can I suggest that this is one of the more important ones.

AM I BEING ASSESSED?

Is your instructor really "assessing you", and managing your training? If you come back from a 3 hour nav, and made a mess of the forced landing.

If the instructor explains that you failed the exercise, and need to repeat it.

Wrong way. Instructor gives you the 3 hour nav route again, this time, you do a great forced landing and he/she signs you off.

Correct Way. Instructor identifies forced landing as a weakness, briefs appropriately, and you spend your money on three hours of forced landing practice.

The point being.

Analyse the training being given to you. Is your instructor preparing you for the flight, and drilling down to the problems. Is he/she identifying whether its a preparation challenge, a technical challenge, or an airmanship challenge. If you don't feel these processes are happening in your training, speak to your instructor, then CFI/HOO.

Absolutely, the onus should be on the school, but students need to actively equip themselves with the skills to determine if they are receiving quality training, early on, and act on it.

You cant undo, substandard training.

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Old 7th Nov 2019, 01:12
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Originally Posted by glenb View Post
I hope this doesn't count as a thread drift, but the intention is to give some students, a pointer to help them assess early on in their training, as to the quality of their training, and potentially avoid these problems snowballing.

There are probably dozens of indicators, but can I suggest that this is one of the more important ones.

AM I BEING ASSESSED?

Is your instructor really "assessing you", and managing your training? If you come back from a 3 hour nav, and made a mess of the forced landing.

If the instructor explains that you failed the exercise, and need to repeat it.

Wrong way. Instructor gives you the 3 hour nav route again, this time, you do a great forced landing and he/she signs you off.

Correct Way. Instructor identifies forced landing as a weakness, briefs appropriately, and you spend your money on three hours of forced landing practice.

The point being.

Analyse the training being given to you. Is your instructor preparing you for the flight, and drilling down to the problems. Is he/she identifying whether its a preparation challenge, a technical challenge, or an airmanship challenge. If you don't feel these processes are happening in your training, speak to your instructor, then CFI/HOO.

Absolutely, the onus should be on the school, but students need to actively equip themselves with the skills to determine if they are receiving quality training, early on, and act on it.

You cant undo, substandard training.
A very valid point Glen.

I used to see it a lot, especially with first solo’s. Student couldn’t land, so repeat first solo check, still couldn’t land, repeat first solo check. When the required training was to go back to the training area and ensure the student could actually set attitudes, trim and understand the relationship between power and attitude etc.

I am yet to see any student pass without required some ‘extra’ training at some point in their syllabus. However, the art of a good instructor is to identify the root cause and provide remedial instruction focused on the root cause, not the entire lesson.
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Old 7th Nov 2019, 20:24
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Soar has recommenced operations as of this morning.
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Old 8th Nov 2019, 04:51
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From The Australian today: Apologies for strange formatting. What shows up in the preview isn't what you see when I post it.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...673a6e07a81b11






Among [ASQA’s] concerns was misinformation about their course and the aircraft they would be flying, and being made to repeat training procedures which saw their loans exhausted before they had obtained even a recreational pilot’s licence.

The Australian has also obtained a 2019 report on the financial performance of BHI aviation courses, which raised concerns about the financial arrangement with Soar.





Analysis of data at a student level indicates that there have been mismatches between income received for some students and amounts paid to Soar for those same students,” said the report.



“In many instances, this included paying Soar for students that were not enrolled in the associated course cluster. In some cases BHI made payments to Soar in respect to students that had withdrawn from the course, or were invoiced (and paid) multiple times for the same students.



“No material refund or credit has been received from Soar in respect to these mismatches.”



The report went on to say those factors had constrained BHI from achieving the notional gross profit levels contemplated in the contract with Soar (87 per cent and 92 per cent) with actual gross profit of 2 per cent and -2 per cent noted in 2017 and 2018 respectively.

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Old 8th Nov 2019, 08:13
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What a mess!
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Old 8th Nov 2019, 12:38
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Not a mess Sunfish. I would suggest a very well orchestrated, until now, fraud!
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Old 8th Nov 2019, 18:24
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There's a running joke that every RPC holder at Soar is made to have a navigation endorsement. I don't know how much is legend and how much is fact but there's probably a hint a truth behind it.
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Old 8th Nov 2019, 23:45
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Invoicing issues.... Isn't that what finished off ACFT a few years back?
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Old 9th Nov 2019, 00:57
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The schools that are set up to milk VET fees need to be torn down and the management gaoled.
Every where I turn I see things that are turning Australia from a proud 1st world country to a 3rd world shit hole.
I have even heard anecdotes of so called testing staff failing students "because they need a the money for a new xxxx - the second test fee will provide the money"!
Lets hope that we never meet, for your sake.....

Dont put up with this stuff and dont be a part of it.
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Old 9th Nov 2019, 04:49
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Indeed ramble on, so we need to tell our federal MPs, who have been influenced by people with vested interests, that is it NOT OK to have these loans let alone increase these loans to 150 grand next year and why. In the past the money has vanished quietly to goodness knows where before the liquidators moved in, but this time the Rich List seems to be rubbing the taxpayers noses in it.
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