Who made the decision on the ASIC?
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The system they have in the USA known as KCM or 'Known Crew Member'. A system that actually checks your identity each time you enter a secure area and costs nothing as the background checks are done by your employer. If you're not on the KCM database, then you're not a pilot. It's that simple.
Oh I don't know, I would have thought that if any country would require such a security measure introduced as a result of 9/11 it would be the US?
But no! Whenever I've had cause to enter an airport either airside or as a passenger in the US, or it be an airport that handles 'jet transport pilots' or GA or some of the bigger airports that handle substantial jet traffic, I haven't had a nazi approach me once. I've had fellas come up and say hello, checking in a friendly way why I'm there or if they could help me. Hell, I even know a bloke that has a hangar for his RV at an International Airport. He swipes a card to get into his hangar from a gate on the opposite side of the terminal.
I get over there pretty regularly, I've not had one poor experience with the TSA, not one. And they haven't 'randomly' checked me for explosives once with some drumstick with a chux on the end of it. But I reckon they'd know tout de suite if I was packing one.
The ASIC, I faithfully take it every where with me, wishing upon wish that someone will ask me for it at Warnambool. Just one day, it would make it all worthwhile.
But no! Whenever I've had cause to enter an airport either airside or as a passenger in the US, or it be an airport that handles 'jet transport pilots' or GA or some of the bigger airports that handle substantial jet traffic, I haven't had a nazi approach me once. I've had fellas come up and say hello, checking in a friendly way why I'm there or if they could help me. Hell, I even know a bloke that has a hangar for his RV at an International Airport. He swipes a card to get into his hangar from a gate on the opposite side of the terminal.
I get over there pretty regularly, I've not had one poor experience with the TSA, not one. And they haven't 'randomly' checked me for explosives once with some drumstick with a chux on the end of it. But I reckon they'd know tout de suite if I was packing one.
The ASIC, I faithfully take it every where with me, wishing upon wish that someone will ask me for it at Warnambool. Just one day, it would make it all worthwhile.
The Known Crew Member system, sounds ok...how does it work?
How does it check your identity every time? How often does it need updating? I’m sure a few people here would have complaints if they had to show their ID to a machine/person every time, I mean they have trouble with the ASIC process. Who pays for it? Do they have economy of scale?
How does it check your identity every time? How often does it need updating? I’m sure a few people here would have complaints if they had to show their ID to a machine/person every time, I mean they have trouble with the ASIC process. Who pays for it? Do they have economy of scale?
The Known Crew Member system, sounds ok...how does it work?
How does it check your identity every time? How often does it need updating? I’m sure a few people here would have complaints if they had to show their ID to a machine/person every time, I mean they have trouble with the ASIC process. Who pays for it? Do they have economy of scale?
How does it check your identity every time? How often does it need updating? I’m sure a few people here would have complaints if they had to show their ID to a machine/person every time, I mean they have trouble with the ASIC process. Who pays for it? Do they have economy of scale?
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Cogwheel, has anyone yet been thrown in handcuffs for diverting to an airport when they don't have an ASIC. I think you are looking for an answer to a problem that doesn't exist.
Agreed that you are u are not likely to finish up in cuffs, but the hassle and time to get out of the airfield and back in can be quite convoluted and time consuming = pain in the butt! (Depending how the airfield management interpret the Regs)
What some are suggesting is that at rural airports there should be a section to which an ASIC is not required with GA access to the apron. As said above these rules seem to have been developed with no consideration for GA ops. That is the problem.
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And the comparison is regularly brought up on a lot of threads about Australian aviation.
Or is that allowed only when it suits you?
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Are you saying we should be the same as other countries or not?
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What some are suggesting is that at rural airports there should be a section to which an ASIC is not required with GA access to the apron. As said above these rules seem to have been developed with no consideration for GA ops. That is the problem.
Having been around this game for quite a while now and been involved in the various legislative changes from industry consultation right through to enactment, I'm sorry to say that what you are suggesting wouldn't get over the start line.
To get any support for it at all you would have to convince the two main groups that comprise the industry security forums. Those being airlines and airport operators. I just cannot see that happening.
GA has been in the past and continues to be poorly represented, in fact totally unrepresented at just about every conference I have attended.
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I have no problem with the requirement for some form of photo ID at Security Controlled Airports however the cost of such ID should be worn by those that invented the requirement.
In addition, why is it that a military ID is not acceptable (when flying a non-military aircraft)?
In addition, why is a foreign airline ID fine at SYD but not acceptable at Dubbo?
Rules for the sake of rules or revenue raising or both...
In addition, why is it that a military ID is not acceptable (when flying a non-military aircraft)?
In addition, why is a foreign airline ID fine at SYD but not acceptable at Dubbo?
Rules for the sake of rules or revenue raising or both...
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you’re forgetting to mention sida badges in the USA
Havick, I can only talk about what I've experienced in my flying over there, several Class D towered aerodromes, Chicago Executive etc. Plus a fair whack of non towered over 5 or 6 states. I've had a couple of Flight Reviews over there and it hasn't been mentioned. Maybe I've been lucky??
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Havick, you are describing your experience in the USA as an airline pilot. I can assure you there is no equivalent to the ASIC for general aviation. I have travelled around with John and Martha King in their Falcon 10, and nowhere is any security card required.
Of course, just as in Australia, GA is separated by at least a few hundred metres from the airlines. You can readily get the rental car brought right out to your aircraft to load up. Try doing that in Australia!
Of course, just as in Australia, GA is separated by at least a few hundred metres from the airlines. You can readily get the rental car brought right out to your aircraft to load up. Try doing that in Australia!
How far do we have to take this Orwellian society in the name of "security" before we no longer have any freedoms we once took for granted? The "What Ifs...." are too numerous to cater for every eventuality but that is what people are suggesting we cater for...
Havick, you are describing your experience in the USA as an airline pilot. I can assure you there is no equivalent to the ASIC for general aviation. I have travelled around with John and Martha King in their Falcon 10, and nowhere is any security card required.
Of course, just as in Australia, GA is separated by at least a few hundred metres from the airlines. You can readily get the rental car brought right out to your aircraft to load up. Try doing that in Australia!
Of course, just as in Australia, GA is separated by at least a few hundred metres from the airlines. You can readily get the rental car brought right out to your aircraft to load up. Try doing that in Australia!
all I’m trying to point out is that the USA isn’t always as straight forward as everyone makes out. I do think the ASIC is unnecessary and complete waste of time.
The Youtube video depicting a CASA employee discussing the introduction of the ASIC is pure comedic gold.
