Who made the decision on the ASIC?
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Oh I don't know, I would have thought that if any country would require such a security measure introduced as a result of 9/11 it would be the US?
But no! Whenever I've had cause to enter an airport either airside or as a passenger in the US, or it be an airport that handles 'jet transport pilots' or GA or some of the bigger airports that handle substantial jet traffic, I haven't had a nazi approach me once. I've had fellas come up and say hello, checking in a friendly way why I'm there or if they could help me. Hell, I even know a bloke that has a hangar for his RV at an International Airport. He swipes a card to get into his hangar from a gate on the opposite side of the terminal.
I get over there pretty regularly, I've not had one poor experience with the TSA, not one. And they haven't 'randomly' checked me for explosives once with some drumstick with a chux on the end of it. But I reckon they'd know tout de suite if I was packing one.
The ASIC, I faithfully take it every where with me, wishing upon wish that someone will ask me for it at Warnambool. Just one day, it would make it all worthwhile.
But no! Whenever I've had cause to enter an airport either airside or as a passenger in the US, or it be an airport that handles 'jet transport pilots' or GA or some of the bigger airports that handle substantial jet traffic, I haven't had a nazi approach me once. I've had fellas come up and say hello, checking in a friendly way why I'm there or if they could help me. Hell, I even know a bloke that has a hangar for his RV at an International Airport. He swipes a card to get into his hangar from a gate on the opposite side of the terminal.
I get over there pretty regularly, I've not had one poor experience with the TSA, not one. And they haven't 'randomly' checked me for explosives once with some drumstick with a chux on the end of it. But I reckon they'd know tout de suite if I was packing one.
The ASIC, I faithfully take it every where with me, wishing upon wish that someone will ask me for it at Warnambool. Just one day, it would make it all worthwhile.
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Was the Etihad incident out of Sydney not enough to make you aware there may be the odd threat out there? The knife attack on a kiwi aircraft a few years back? Threats to the MCG? ANZAC day? just to name a few.
I reckon the Australian agencies have done a pretty good job picking up the vast majority of terrorist plots that have gotten to advanced planning stages. Do you reckon any of these plots have been picked up by any of these agencies checking whether any of the numpties held an ASIC or had applied for one and failed the application?
Whilst it doesn't answer Dick's specific question as to who in particular suggested or signed off on the introduction of ASICs, this Parliamentary Report provides some info on the various discussions that took place soon thereafter.
I would not agree with that interpretation as the legislation dealing with access to a security controlled airport refers to ASICs only. CASA have been bum drumming pilots on Aviation Security since day dot. A visiting pilot from overseas once turned up in a rented 210 with family on board, was asked whether he had a current ASIC. He replied he did not but had and AVID and CASA said that was all he needed to fly a VH registered aircraft in Oz. Technically that was correct but they failed to say that - "if you intend to land at a security controlled airport, you will need an ASIC". Airport staff did the right thing, looked after him and his aircraft and saw him on his merry way. Not sure how he subsequently got on at other airports.
FWIW, I once forgot my ASIC and hired an aircraft that was on the GA side of a major international security controlled airport. No one batted and eyelid.
I know of another instance though where an airport was undergoing a security audit at the time and a small regional airline had one of their pilots land..... without his ASIC. The airport got the NCN from the regulator - go figure.
By implication, an AVID should be good intermittent access to a security controlled airport
FWIW, I once forgot my ASIC and hired an aircraft that was on the GA side of a major international security controlled airport. No one batted and eyelid.
I know of another instance though where an airport was undergoing a security audit at the time and a small regional airline had one of their pilots land..... without his ASIC. The airport got the NCN from the regulator - go figure.
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Any person with a pilot licence in Australia has an ASIO file, any person with a legal firearm or explosives licence in Australia has an ASIO file. How does making pilots apply for another plastic card through a non government private entity make the world a safer place?
If Australia had a decent card licence with photo ID that could be used for security. Ask any pilot what they think of the current licence format.
If Australia had a decent card licence with photo ID that could be used for security. Ask any pilot what they think of the current licence format.
In answer to the question of what an ASIC does for security.
it acts as a deterrent. The person behind it has been a through a painful process to prove they are who they say they are and have a reason to be where they are and if someone doesn’t have one it acts as a red flag if they are somewhere they shouldn’t be.
Again I ask the question what do people complaining about it say should be done instead? Or do we just trust everyone in a pilots uniform wearing gold (or pink) bars?
it acts as a deterrent. The person behind it has been a through a painful process to prove they are who they say they are and have a reason to be where they are and if someone doesn’t have one it acts as a red flag if they are somewhere they shouldn’t be.
Again I ask the question what do people complaining about it say should be done instead? Or do we just trust everyone in a pilots uniform wearing gold (or pink) bars?
As I said Biggles, pilots could use their licence..............................if it was a useful photo card licence instead of the idiotic paper sheet.
People with malignant intentions will happily go through the painful process of obtaining an ASIC if it allows them unfettered access to carry out whatever it is they intend doing.
Forging an ASIC well enough to get past some guy with a big belt and trousers tucked into his boots at a gate surely can’t be all that difficult.
Please don’t make the mistake of believing that an ASIC is a silver bullet to save us from terrorists. At best, it’s an easily overcome inconvenience to them.
Forging an ASIC well enough to get past some guy with a big belt and trousers tucked into his boots at a gate surely can’t be all that difficult.
Please don’t make the mistake of believing that an ASIC is a silver bullet to save us from terrorists. At best, it’s an easily overcome inconvenience to them.
I don’t think people quite understand what “security” means. To achieve true security you require defenses in depth - multiple checks with multi factor (ie different) forms of checks.
An ASIC on its own is useless. It needs to be checked EVERY TIME by someone with armed immediate backup to provide just one level of defense. The second level is to require a valid reason to be in the security zone at all. The third level is physical security of the zone itself - fences, razor wire, alarms.
The ASIC on its own is useless, any idiot with a laser printer and a laminating machine (or better still, screen printing capability) and the imagination to dress the part is in.
An ASIC on its own is useless. It needs to be checked EVERY TIME by someone with armed immediate backup to provide just one level of defense. The second level is to require a valid reason to be in the security zone at all. The third level is physical security of the zone itself - fences, razor wire, alarms.
The ASIC on its own is useless, any idiot with a laser printer and a laminating machine (or better still, screen printing capability) and the imagination to dress the part is in.
I don’t think people quite understand what “security” means. To achieve true security you require defenses in depth - multiple checks with multi factor (ie different) forms of checks.
An ASIC on its own is useless. It needs to be checked EVERY TIME by someone with armed immediate backup to provide just one level of defense. The second level is to require a valid reason to be in the security zone at all. The third level is physical security of the zone itself - fences, razor wire, alarms.
The ASIC on its own is useless, any idiot with a laser printer and a laminating machine (or better still, screen printing capability) and the imagination to dress the part is in.
An ASIC on its own is useless. It needs to be checked EVERY TIME by someone with armed immediate backup to provide just one level of defense. The second level is to require a valid reason to be in the security zone at all. The third level is physical security of the zone itself - fences, razor wire, alarms.
The ASIC on its own is useless, any idiot with a laser printer and a laminating machine (or better still, screen printing capability) and the imagination to dress the part is in.
So you’re proposing someone checks the ASIC at the airport and behind that person checking is some kind of armed security officer? Which department will provide such a service and under what regulation or crimes act would that be implemented? Oh and what would their powers of arrest be and what National IT system would they use to check said ASIC holder’s personal records? (The same check that takes a week or two in order to obtain an ASIC)
All this talk of arming, fences, razor wire, alarms and other security scary stuff is putting me off wanting to visit the airport for the purposes of work or leisure travel.
The ASIC on its own is useless, any idiot with a laser printer and a laminating machine (or better still, screen printing capability) and the imagination to dress the part is in.
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Where does it say that a PPL must hold an ASIC?
I understand that the old plastic licence will not return. CASA now looking at a phone app that will include your licence details....!
Where is the standardisation that gives guidance to rurual airfield operators as how they facilitate GA ops by pilots that do not hold an ASIC?
I understand that the old plastic licence will not return. CASA now looking at a phone app that will include your licence details....!
Where is the standardisation that gives guidance to rurual airfield operators as how they facilitate GA ops by pilots that do not hold an ASIC?
Where is the standardisation that gives guidance to rurual airfield operators as how they facilitate GA ops by pilots that do not hold an ASIC?
So after reading the comments here I am wondering what was the purpose of Dick's question? I suppose he could point the finger at the GG of the time who signed off on the Aviation Transport Security Act 2004. What does it matter who played what part?
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USA? No, plastic but no picture
Europe? No, no picture and paper sheet.
Canada? No, picture but 24 pages booklet
Others?
Pretty simple really, if you want to have access at a security controlled airport that has screened services - ASIC 24/7. Airports without screened services you can apply Regulation 3.03. The sticking point there though is that many airports specify ASICs at all times regardless. Would be a very interesting test case.
Cogwheel, has anyone yet been thrown in handcuffs for diverting to an airport when they don't have an ASIC. I think you are looking for an answer to a problem that doesn't exist.
