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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 03:43
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Originally Posted by machtuk View Post


ok I feel ashamed for you then, sad either way you feel the need to be so negative about everything seeing as (I assume ) you never even worked for them!
Its only hypothetical, of course, since neither of us ever worked for the good old "RUFFDUS", that if you had, you would have happily carried the doctor's bags out to the aircraft whilst they strolled out empty handed. I can picture it now.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 03:50
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Originally Posted by spektrum View Post
How long is it to a Brisbane base with them?
Enter the Brisbane base in your GPS, it should show you the track and distance to the Brisbane base. Or you could apply to "them" and ask "them' how long. Unbelievable.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 03:53
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Originally Posted by Horatio Leafblower View Post
Deja Vu,
Am I correct in understanding that you think a pilot with a university degree has achieved a degree of academic achievement equivalent to that achieved by a Doctor? ...or even a Nurse?
Is it my paranoia or is the word "pilot" in lower case and "Doctor" and "Nurse" with capitals of any significance.?
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 05:41
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Originally Posted by deja vu View Post
Its only hypothetical, of course, since neither of us ever worked for the good old "RUFFDUS", that if you had, you would have happily carried the doctor's bags out to the aircraft whilst they strolled out empty handed. I can picture it now.
Ö....and you know this how? You obviously never worked for them but don't assume I never did!
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 06:08
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Originally Posted by machtuk View Post
Ö....and you know this how? You obviously never worked for them but don't assume I never did!
Call it a gift if you like but I have the ability to pick a BS artist from a long way off. If you had ever worked for the RFDS ( as a pilot) we would have had a blow by blow description many posts ago, "AeroMed for many years and enough turbo prop time to sink a ship so only the jet for me". Spare us!
I learned many years ago that in aviation never to assume anything, maybe you know the rest.

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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 06:22
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Originally Posted by deja vu View Post
Call it a gift if you like but I have the ability to pick a BS artist from a long way off. If you had ever worked for the RFDS ( as a pilot) we would have had a blow by blow description many posts ago, "AeroMed for many years and enough turbo prop time to sink a ship so only the jet for me". Spare us!
I learned many years ago that in aviation never to assume anything, maybe you know the rest.
Oh you are gifted alright, for all the wrong reasons! You really are sad angry case! Anyway lets just say you will never know my background as you think you have all the answers so continue being a nasty piece of work, something you are good at but entertaining I guess, in to the ignore list for you!!
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 06:57
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Originally Posted by machtuk View Post
Oh you are gifted alright, for all the wrong reasons! You really are sad angry case! Anyway lets just say you will never know my background as you think you have all the answers so continue being a nasty piece of work, something you are good at but entertaining I guess, in to the ignore list for you!!
Oh no, not the ignore list. Must have touched a nerve.

Oh well there are lots more sycophants out there happy to denigrate the GA industry, lecture pilots on what they should accept and how they should think and generally advocate on behalf of opportunists like the good ole Ruffdus.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 10:00
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Originally Posted by deja vu View Post
Enter the Brisbane base in your GPS, it should show you the track and distance to the Brisbane base. Or you could apply to "them" and ask "them' how long. Unbelievable.
What is the harm in asking the question on the forum? Why are you such an angry person?
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 10:12
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Originally Posted by rcoight View Post


Thatís a joke, right?
Nice trolling.
No it wasn't and have I far more meaningful things to fill my day with than trolling.

Aside from my firm belief that both nurses and doctors level of academic qualification is above that of even an ATPL qualification, the fact that both doctors and nurses have a higher level of work intensity coupled with longer hours in any given RFDS day forms my belief they are both worth more than the pilot, hence why they are paid more.

As I am aware the attrition rate is vastly more attributed to the lack of work life balance than that of pilot remuneration.

Deja Vu;

Midwifery is usually (at least until very recently) an extra qualification required of a flight nurse along with a solid ED background.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 10:22
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Originally Posted by spektrum View Post
What is the harm in asking the question on the forum? Why are you such an angry person?
Well I guess I was sort of reacting to someone who doesn't have the nouse to find this information for "themselves" , rather put out a general question and have someone else do all the investigation to answer your query. Having spent many years on the committees of pilot unions I have very little affinity for those who rely on others to do all the work on their behalf. How pathetic is that, how do you expect things to improve if you can't get off your backside and enquire for yourself? and then refer to those who do the hard yards as "autists" . Yeah I do get angry

Never mind, Alice Kiwican, obviously a RFDS insider has come to your aid, ...
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 10:41
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Originally Posted by Obidiah View Post
No it wasn't and have I far more meaningful things to fill my day with than trolling.


Deja Vu;

Midwifery is usually (at least until very recently) an extra qualification required of a flight nurse along with a solid ED background.
Is that it? is midwifery required or not ? (usually or until recently, what the??? ) A far call from "extra substantial qualifications" required for doctors and nurses for RFDS operations.
Maybe you could spend your day meaningfully by checking the accuracy of the stuff you claim and are prepared to put into print.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 10:47
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Originally Posted by deja vu View Post
Well I guess I was sort of reacting to someone who doesn't have the nouse to find this information for "themselves" , rather put out a general question and have someone else do all the investigation to answer your query. Having spent many years on the committees of pilot unions I have very little affinity for those who rely on others to do all the work on their behalf. How pathetic is that, how do you expect things to improve if you can't get off your backside and enquire for yourself? and then refer to those who do the hard yards as "autists" . Yeah I do get angry

Never mind, Alice Kiwican, obviously a RFDS insider has come to your aid, ...
Rather than waste someones time at the organisation by calling, emailing etc, I figured the sensible thing to do FIRST would be to try my luck hoping someone in the know lurking these boards would volunteer the information.

All I was after was someone to type 'x years'. It was not an onerous request yet you've spent how long responding to and getting riled up over something you had no real interest in. How angry do you get when something actually worth getting angry over occurs? Do become violent or do you know to take your meds before things escalate?
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 11:19
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Originally Posted by spektrum View Post
Rather than waste someones time at the organisation by calling, emailing etc, I figured the sensible thing to do FIRST would be to try my luck hoping someone in the know lurking these boards would volunteer the information.

All I was after was someone to type 'x years'. It was not an onerous request yet you've spent how long responding to and getting riled up over something you had no real interest in. How angry do you get when something actually worth getting angry over occurs? Do become violent or do you know to take your meds before things escalate?
Amazing, you don't have the gonads to contact them directly for fear you are wasting their time when they are claiming to have a pilot shortage, but it's ok to expect others "lurking the boards" ( LOL) to know the answers. Sorry, nothing but an oxygen thief.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 11:31
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Originally Posted by deja vu View Post
Is that it? is midwifery required or not ? (usually or until recently, what the??? ) A far call from "extra substantial qualifications" required for doctors and nurses for RFDS operations.
Maybe you could spend your day meaningfully by checking the accuracy of the stuff you claim and are prepared to put into print.
Deja vu;

For what it's worth I just added that information for your benefit as you appeared to want to really drill down on another contributors post regarding such. It had been a requirement but there is some relaxation due to the difficulty in finding nurses with this qualification, likely now a case by case scenario. As for other extra qualifications I could not say, generally you will find the nurses are somewhat older than the average of the pool due to the years required to obtain the skill sets for the job.

Maybe you could celebrate this small single point win with a champagne popper discharged in your mouth.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 12:10
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What’s wrong with calling it what it is? It’s demanding and challenging work. Why wouldn’t you want the Pilot (with a capital) being paid extremely well.

It reminds me of corporate jet owners who happily drop 60 mil on a machine yet push for cheaper Pilots?

In both cases if I was down the back either on life support or drinking the best 18 YO I would like to know I had the best I could get up the front..........
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 12:21
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Someone on this thread is hanging on just a bit too tightly.
So much angst.
I just hope they don’t fly aeroplanes for a living. Or for pleasure!
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 12:45
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Originally Posted by Obidiah View Post
....the fact that both doctors and nurses have a higher level of work intensity coupled with longer hours in any given RFDS day forms my belief they are both worth more than the pilot, hence why they are paid more..
With respect, that is completely untrue.

Regardless, no one is suggesting the flight nurses donít deserve what they get (they certainly do).
The issue is that RFDS management have totally failed to recognise the reality of the pilot shortage and are still conducting themselves as though they have a mountain of high quality pilot applications to call on every time someone leaves.

They donít. And as a result they are heading very quickly towards what could be a real crisis for them.
All they need to do is recognise whatís happening and make more effort to stop the pilots they already have from looking elsewhere.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 19:26
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Pile-its (capital Pee) for the RFDS (or any other aeromed organisation doing single pilot stuff in tubrprops) need to be paid at least 160-170k if the companies want to keep an experience base. Plain and simple. This is what a level 3 FO grosses with Virgin and is more than fair considering all the extra duties and risks involved in the operation (7 sector unscheduled night, refuel your own aircraft, top up oxygen in addition to towing it into and out of the hangar). If the companies in question do not think this figure is appropriate, they have to be comfortable with the higher cost of training and a higher risk of incident/accident due to pilot inexperience and turnover.

i also don’t think deja vu’s posts are aggressive or holding on too tight. They are repsonding to posters who seem to want to make the argument personal. But what would I know, I have to hold on tight, it’s so small you see.

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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 20:45
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What’s irrelevant is the argument about who is worth more on the aircraft. The point is RFDS pilots are not being paid enough for the experience and competencies required to consistently operate with the required margin of safety in their (sometimes) demanding operation.

Someone earlier stated an airline F/O grosses $160K. Bluntly, all he/she has to do is adhere to SOPs, fly the magenta line with full automation and retract the landing gear on command. I’d argue, in comparison to a single pilot RFDS pilot, that F/O is grossly overpaid. (A lot of airlines overseas are now throwing pimply faced, 200 hour pilots into the RHS of A330s.... ask yourselves, how demanding can that job really be?).

To put the value of the RFDS pilots job in another albeit over dramatic perspective ... if the medical staff make an egregious mistake, they bury it. If a pilot does similar they bury him (and whoever else is on board). I’m pretty certain the medical crew on board any RFDS aircraft would be happy to know they have experienced, competent pilots up front being paid a reasonable wage.

Deja Vu is right! GA stinks.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 23:24
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Hopefully a few laughs to take some of the anger and heat out of this thread...

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