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Old 17th Sep 2019, 08:53
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Folks,
As some of you will already know, you can fly the entire east and west coasts of USA, in VMC, without any kind of a clearance.

The only occasional difference to this statement is if there is a rocket launch at Cape Kennedy (Canaveral) , any delay will be brief.

And, of course, no GA pilot needs anything like an ASIC anywhere in the US. (very few countries have Australian like prescriptive restrictions)

As (Admiral) Donald Engen, at the time FAA Administrator said, after his first and only visit to Australia ( a very perceptive man): " In US, because a man is a pilot, we trust him, in Australia because a man is a pilot, you mistrust him".

Tootle pip!!

PS: This is the exact quote, long before present gender sensitivities, and I am not going to misquote him to conform to present norms. Indeed, the old Norm will do.
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 08:54
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Leady, well I guess then some of us might have to make it an issue. You are correct they not only do not understand, but don't care either. But then it is up to "us" in the industry to try and make a difference. I am of the belief that calling the Govt on discrimination has some chance to attracting their attention..... Worth a try I believe.
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 13:45
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Triadic,
I think calling the fact that some airports enforce the requirements differently to others "discrimination" is drawing a rather long bow. If that is the case then it is the airports committing the act, not the regulator.
There is one set of legislation for all to follow. Some may chose to relax certain requirements whereas others will follow it to the letter. Who is in the wrong?
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Old 18th Sep 2019, 09:48
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YPJT, your are correct, but what I am highlighting is that the regulations make no allowance for GA at rural airports that have a security requirement because of airline traffic. Because they make no allowance then it is the regulations that are discriminating against those GA pilots that do not have an ASIC. There is no regulation that they must have one. Even if you don't plan to land at such places, there is always the chance of a diversion due to weather or fuel etc - then you may have to fight your way with an aerodrome operator that does not have procedures in place for such events. Yes some are good and some not, but is that their fault. I don't believe so. They should have guidance from the appropriate department, but then as Leady says they either don't care or are not interested.
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Old 18th Sep 2019, 11:43
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Triadic,
I agree mate. In fact I faced that very scenario on more than one occasion and there is nothing in the legislation or guidance that says how it should be dealt with. Common sense says.... no intent to act illegally so help said pilot out to get aircraft parked and sort out the access matter later. You wouldn't just let them have the gate code but you can use discretion such as escorting to and from the aircraft etc. Probably not 100% in compliance with legislation but I guarantee if you call the Dept and ask for advice you will be treated to the sound of crickets. At the end of the day, it is quite a rare occurrence and depending on the airport each ARO / manager will deal with it differently.

Its one of the may situations that were not fully thought through and because the occurrence is so rare, it is unlikely to gain any momentum. Remember the regulator's office is full of people who in 90% or more of cases have never worked a day in this industry in their lives.

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