Bell ditching off Newcastle
Originally Posted by Cloudee
The recording is only of the initial contact and the controller then asks him to contact delivery for onwards clearance. That exchange is not given.
As an aside, it's interesting that UVC reports being at 1,500 feet on contact with Willy Approach. According to the ADS-B data he was between 2,000 ft and 4,000 ft around that time.
Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
And what of all the comms with other aircraft, Mick, which would help to justify the activation of the Romeos at the time?
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
No. And, as with the ‘investigation’ into the ditching of NGA, it is unlikely the recordings will be made publicly available. There may be a selective (and probably error-ridden) transcript of comms, but I wouldn’t expect more.
National security is at stake in this case. Imagine if all the Willy Tower and Willy Approach comms on a late Friday afternoon were revealed: All the comms from those F35s and FA18/A/F/Gs and Wedgetails and the dozens of other ADF assets exercising in the active Romeos would reveal important tactical information to the bad guys. And on top of that there’d be all the civvy traffic comms. Too confusing for laypeople to understand.
National security is at stake in this case. Imagine if all the Willy Tower and Willy Approach comms on a late Friday afternoon were revealed: All the comms from those F35s and FA18/A/F/Gs and Wedgetails and the dozens of other ADF assets exercising in the active Romeos would reveal important tactical information to the bad guys. And on top of that there’d be all the civvy traffic comms. Too confusing for laypeople to understand.
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Originally Posted by jumby164
I can assure you that any of these transmissions would definitely not be, in any form, a risk to national security.
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I'll help you out here Jumbo - Willy after lunch on Fridays is a little quiet, with the only aircraft flying being the SAR chopper doing the rounds of the crab pots on the Saltash Range, in preparation for the 3pm stand-down and crab cook-up.
The ATSB Interim report is now out.
Very strange. ATC cleared the pilot coastal southbound at night!
Also the pilot requested to remain on the eastern side of R578A. That would put the aircraft way out over the ocean!
Looks as if he was terrified of military restricted airspace and that the military don’t have a ADSB Receiver at Willy.
Very strange. ATC cleared the pilot coastal southbound at night!
Also the pilot requested to remain on the eastern side of R578A. That would put the aircraft way out over the ocean!
Looks as if he was terrified of military restricted airspace and that the military don’t have a ADSB Receiver at Willy.
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Originally Posted by Dick Smith
The ATSB Interim report is now out.
Very strange. ATC cleared the pilot coastal southbound at night!
Also the pilot requested to remain on the eastern side of R578A. That would put the aircraft way out over the ocean!
Looks as if he was terrified of military restricted airspace and that the military don’t have a ADSB Receiver at Willy.
Very strange. ATC cleared the pilot coastal southbound at night!
Also the pilot requested to remain on the eastern side of R578A. That would put the aircraft way out over the ocean!
Looks as if he was terrified of military restricted airspace and that the military don’t have a ADSB Receiver at Willy.
Given the call made re turbulence it would seem logical to want to avoid terrain.
Originally Posted by Dick Smith
The ATSB Interim report is now out.
Very strange. ATC cleared the pilot coastal southbound at night!
Also the pilot requested to remain on the eastern side of R578A. That would put the aircraft way out over the ocean!
Looks as if he was terrified of military restricted airspace and that the military don’t have a ADSB Receiver at Willy.
Very strange. ATC cleared the pilot coastal southbound at night!
Also the pilot requested to remain on the eastern side of R578A. That would put the aircraft way out over the ocean!
Looks as if he was terrified of military restricted airspace and that the military don’t have a ADSB Receiver at Willy.
Pilot details
The pilot held Private and Commercial Pilot (Helicopter) Licences and was qualified to fly by day under the Visual Flight Rules.
Originally Posted by MickG0105
Funny how different people focus on different things. The part of the preliminary that caught my eye was,
Plenty of pilots with current NVFR ratings have met similar fates.
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It wouldn't matter whether he had past experience or not, the aircraft wasn't equipped for NVFR and the instruments that were fitted (refer the cockpit photo some pages back) were telling lies. A look at the AI on LHS would make him go into a descending left turn. Which is what happened.
Currawong.
Your comment doesn’t meet the commonsense test.
Why would he make a request to keep out of the RAAF restricted airspace ?
And why was it active when it looks as if there was no military traffic. Why not just Class C
Your comment doesn’t meet the commonsense test.
Why would he make a request to keep out of the RAAF restricted airspace ?
And why was it active when it looks as if there was no military traffic. Why not just Class C
Originally Posted by Dick Smith
Currawong.
Your comment doesn’t meet the commonsense test.
Why would he make a request to keep out of the RAAF restricted airspace ?
And why was it active when it looks as if there was no military traffic. Why not just Class C
Your comment doesn’t meet the commonsense test.
Why would he make a request to keep out of the RAAF restricted airspace ?
And why was it active when it looks as if there was no military traffic. Why not just Class C
Just stop it.
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Originally Posted by Dick Smith
Currawong.
Your comment doesn’t meet the commonsense test.
Why would he make a request to keep out of the RAAF restricted airspace ?
And why was it active when it looks as if there was no military traffic. Why not just Class C
Your comment doesn’t meet the commonsense test.
Why would he make a request to keep out of the RAAF restricted airspace ?
And why was it active when it looks as if there was no military traffic. Why not just Class C
You still have not answered my question. Why was it strange for ATC to issue a clearance coastal southbound at night?
Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie
It wouldn't matter whether he had past experience or not, the aircraft wasn't equipped for NVFR and the instruments that were fitted (refer the cockpit photo some pages back) were telling lies. A look at the AI on LHS would make him go into a descending left turn. Which is what happened.
It might shock some out there to know that some aircraft in this country that are rated for NVFR don’t even have an AH fitted !!!
