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Old 1st Sep 2019, 08:23
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I'd say in terms of his medical certificate, he's gonna have to fight very hard and very long now to prove his innocence.
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 10:08
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Originally Posted by BigPapi View Post
I'd say in terms of his medical certificate, he's gonna have to fight very hard and very long now to prove his innocence.
I don't quite understand what you mean by innocence? Would it be possible to please clarify what you mean? Thank you.
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 10:15
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Guilty until innocence is proven.

He will now need to prove +100 % he is medically fit and it can NEVER happen again - a bit like getting your virginity back.
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 10:22
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
Guilty until innocence is proven.

He will now need to prove +100 % he is medically fit and it can NEVER happen again - a bit like getting your virginity back.
It's surprisingly not that hard to get your medical back after heart attacks and bypasses. I know of multiple and it was a lot faster than I would have ever thought possible. It all depends on whether your condition is treatable. On the flip side, I know of someone with a minor condition that doesn't have a treatment plan and his only option is a safety pilot.

If an artery is blocked for example and a stent goes in or a full bypass operation, problem solved, probably get back your medical.
If you've got a condition that causes your heart to go crazy when you have too many coffees and is un-treatable, then you likely aren't getting it back again.
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 10:30
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Originally Posted by NumptyAussie View Post
I don't quite understand what you mean by innocence? Would it be possible to please clarify what you mean? Thank you.
What bend alot said.

I imagine he's going to have to work very hard to prove that this won't happen again.
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 10:34
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Squawk7700 - absolutely, and know of similar stories of successful treatments with positive outcomes from AVMED. However, in this case, the guy did pass out at the controls of a small aircraft, whilst acting in the capacity of an instructor. Whilst I wish him no impediment post whatever treatment is deemed necessary, and to those already bashing AVMED, FFS AVMED is supposed to minimise the risk of CPLs passing out at the controls, aren’t they? Those bastards!
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 11:03
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According to his LinkedIn he had only been instructing for less than a month after a midlife career change.

Pretty brutal it might be a much shorter and more expensive exercise than he imagined but from today heís lucky to be alive. Hopefully his condition can be properly treated but at the end of the day these events are the primary reason AVMED exists. You canít have pilots prone to collapsing mid-flight.
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 11:15
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Amazing effort by ATC. Just a classy effort all round.

An aside, I for the life of me can't understand the AVMED bashing at it pertains to this thread.
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 11:27
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If it was a heart issue, it can be sorted out with CASA, eventually. If it was some sort of seizure, or brain related, he will be in for a fight.
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 12:33
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Thumbs up

Just listened to the ATC recordings. Wow - just wow.

That recording could be held up as a demonstration of rising to the occasion and clear communication. As someone else said, he'd make a great flight instructor. It's easy to forget what a huge skill set the guys and girls in ATC have. A complete professional.
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 13:25
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I was wondering whether a flight instructor might have been seconded to the Tower to assist in communications with the pilot?
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 15:06
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I believe the controller holds a pilot licence and there was an instructor present. Couldn't have hoped for a better outcome really.
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 21:13
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The controller is a gem. There was an instructor present who talked once or twice to the student but the controller did most of it.
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 21:26
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A couple of points regarding the audio recording:

1. Communication is key: The student pilot luckily spoke and understood English natively which is not always the case with student pilots who start their flight training in Australia. He also had some prior knowledge of flying and associated lingo, and he could orientate himself around Jandakot*, all of which helped him understand the controller. By his own account, he tuned in TWR frequency by himself. I surmise that the clear communication was a calming factor to both himself and the controller.

2. It's surprising to hear all these other calls while an emergency is unfolding.

* Just imagine the same situation at Moorabbin:
TWR: Can you see GMH on your right side?
Student: !!?
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 23:28
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Originally Posted by Okihara View Post
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2. It's surprising to hear all these other calls while an emergency is unfolding....
The bit I listened to was, I believe, full of calls on another frequency, maybe more than one other frequency. I guess they were using a scanner of some kind and it recorded everything.

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Old 1st Sep 2019, 23:58
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It was clear that the ATC was a better communicator in that situation so I was glad to hear that he ended up taking over from the instructor.

Off-Air, weíll keep him up there for an hour whilst we get in every known emergency service and the flying doctors and anyone that can come!
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 00:39
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Listening to audio extracts of the student, I smell somewhat of a rat here, mainly based on his supposed previous experience...
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 01:03
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700 View Post
It was clear that the ATC was a better communicator in that situation so I was glad to hear that he ended up taking over from the instructor.
Apparently the US Navy want to offer him a job as a LSO
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 01:40
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[color=left=#000000]I smell somewhat of a rat here, mainly based on his supposed previous experience...[/color]
All will be revealed in the ATSB report.
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 01:40
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Originally Posted by VH-MLE View Post
Listening to audio extracts of the student, I smell somewhat of a rat here, mainly based on his supposed previous experience...
It was not his first lesson however that didnít stop the media from reporting that.

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