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Old 4th Sep 2019, 22:04
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You got the correct paper.
Go to the bar that says Nation and tap.
Then scroll down to older posts and go back 11 pages and it's there.
AIC investigating accident in Gulf.
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Old 4th Sep 2019, 22:54
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 00:14
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How you can get from a position report at 9000' and end up ditching in a river in bad weather without any further radio comm is a bit of a mystery.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 00:29
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Airframe failure or leans comes to mind
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 00:47
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Wasn't it reported seen attempting a controlled landing on Era River in bad weather? VHF comm is good down to 1000' in that area, plus HF if the VHF was kaput.
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The accident happened in the Purari MBZ so he could have been on either frequency.

The VFR into IMC and lose of control case can’t be ruled out, not the first time this kind of accident has happened in PNG before. Doubt the aeroplane would have been IFR.
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 21:02
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Aircraft down in PNG?

Any new about the pilot? how did the accident happen?
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 04:12
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Nada,nothing,zip.
Very sad re John.
Were/are you a friend of his in CR?
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 05:07
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Originally Posted by simonklein
Nada,nothing,zip.
Very sad re John.
Were/are you a friend of his in CR?
Yes, I met him in CR
Quickly we became best friends in CR
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 12:29
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I have fairly reliable information confirming the pilot's body has been moved to Port Moresby.
The PNG AIC, web site advises a pre-lim report will be made available in 30 days, standard practice, more an acknowledgement that the accident took place.
Assuming the pilot was not incapacitated, the weather in the area was reported as being extremely bad and had been for some weeks. Strong S/E winds blowing up against the mountain etc. etc.
A highly experienced Ag-Pilot does not necessarily make a good PNG Pilot. Ag Ops take place in exceptional VFR conditions. I would suggest with nothing to support my claim but 99.9% no chance of such a robust airframe failing.
What I do know is that genuine PNG villagers are able to articulate themselves very well; if they say or suggest that the aircraft appeared to be making a controlled landing into the river, perhaps due weather, then that's the way the AIC will report it. We just need to wait and see what the AIC come up with …….
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Originally Posted by simonklein
Nada,nothing,zip.
Very sad re John.
Were/are you a friend of his in CR?
Yes, I met him in CR
Quickly we became best friends here, I chatted with him last 28th of August
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 21:41
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Originally Posted by Kagamuga
I have fairly reliable information confirming the pilot's body has been moved to Port Moresby.
The PNG AIC, web site advises a pre-lim report will be made available in 30 days, standard practice, more an acknowledgement that the accident took place.
Assuming the pilot was not incapacitated, the weather in the area was reported as being extremely bad and had been for some weeks. Strong S/E winds blowing up against the mountain etc. etc.
A highly experienced Ag-Pilot does not necessarily make a good PNG Pilot. Ag Ops take place in exceptional VFR conditions. I would suggest with nothing to support my claim but 99.9% no chance of such a robust airframe failing.
What I do know is that genuine PNG villagers are able to articulate themselves very well; if they say or suggest that the aircraft appeared to be making a controlled landing into the river, perhaps due weather, then that's the way the AIC will report it. We just need to wait and see what the AIC come up with …….
OK thank you. Very sad for those who knew John.
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Had the pilot operated in PNG before?
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 23:09
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Originally Posted by gulliBell
Had the pilot operated in PNG before?
Sure, he usually worked 6 months in CR and 6 months in PNG for many years, so he knew very well the climate conditions over there I mean he was an experienced pilot
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 23:20
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Originally Posted by gulliBell
Had the pilot operated in PNG before?
Yep.For a few years on and off,as I understand.
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Old 8th Sep 2019, 01:24
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Lots of PNG experienced pilots have come unstuck in bad weather in PNG before. I know the weather in that part of the world at this time of the year can be pretty bad, to the extent that you couldn't even skud run low level a few miles coastal to get into Kerema, or up a river to get into Kikori. You're basically 0/0 in mist and heavy rain.
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Think there is a VERY BIG difference between PNG crop dusting / VFR and PNG IFR.

Also guessing aircraft not equipped or rated IF.

Condolences to the family.
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"Ag Ops take place in exceptional VFR conditions."

Next time I am working under a 200 ft ceiling with the windscreen wiper going mad, or on a moonless night I shall remember your wise words.

Or not.
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John will be sadly missed, such a gentlemen and a wonderful human being. Another of so many lost in the past few years.
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http://www.aic.gov.pg/pdf/PreRpts/AIC%2019-1002%20P2-SET.pdf

Prelim report issued by PNG AIC
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