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Gippsland GA-8’s Grounded

Old 26th Jul 2019, 06:12
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Country of original certification and construction...
That didn’t stop CASA from suspending 737 Max operations in Australia while it was still flying in the USA. You just never know what you’re going to get from our great regulator.
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Old 26th Jul 2019, 07:15
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Originally Posted by Cloudee View Post

That didn’t stop CASA from suspending 737 Max operations in Australia while it was still flying in the USA. You just never know what you’re going to get from our great regulator.
Nothing fell off the MAX, nothing fell off the Jabiru's either!

None dealt with in even a similar manner, All Jabiru's, B 737 MAX, C210 all, (survey mods & wing mods), All Airvans - all dealt with very different.
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Old 26th Jul 2019, 08:25
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
....then change the Aviation Act to require the public servant to weigh up commercial considerations!
This will never happen. After a brief and unhappy period as a Canberra bureaucrat myself, I’m betting ‘commercial considerations’ was never a factor in decision making, nor ever likely to be, given the worldview and life experience of most of Canberra’s public service.
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Old 26th Jul 2019, 08:31
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Grounding been lifted???? Gotta luv Australian way of doing things! Worlds best 3rd world practice!
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Old 26th Jul 2019, 09:56
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Originally Posted by JustinHeywood View Post


I’m betting ‘commercial considerations’ was never a factor in decision making, nor ever likely to be, given the worldview and life experience of most of Canberra’s public service.
Truer words have never been spoken. They are clueless.
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 02:31
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Not having to listen to a certain "non for profit" operator on the radio for the last week has been a blessing to the ears.
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 03:49
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Originally Posted by cooperplace View Post
Truer words have never been spoken. They are clueless.
cooperplace,
On the contrary, they are very, very clued in on all the possible ways of minimizing any legal liability possibly accruing to CASA, regardless of the damage that decision(s) may have created for anything external to CASA.--- including any or all of the aviation industry.
CASA avoiding possible liability has been the death of many legitimate projects, over the years.
Tootle pip!!

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Old 27th Jul 2019, 05:13
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So what is the cost for a week of grounding for a GA8 for the operator?

1.25 pilot costs - inc employ costs = $1,560.
Aircraft repayment = $3,000
Insurance =
Parking =
Fixed maintenance costs =
Fixed operating costs =

Starts adding up fast, then have a fleet solely or predominantly of type.
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 02:07
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For once CASA acted in a timely and responsible manner. One of their certificated designs suffers an in-flight break up on the other side of the world. It's not weather related; there's no immediate evidence to suggest sabotage, so what could it be? Initial investigation by a competent agency says wing came off. Further investigation would appear to have cleared it of a design fault, so CASA promptly un-ground the fleet.
A five day grounding would only bankrupt an operator already teetering on bankruptcy.
Imagine the fall-out if CASA did not ground the type and another one crashed in similar circumstances meantime. The FAA know all about that.
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 02:33
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Originally Posted by RVDT View Post
Maybe the fact that no other aircraft was involved and the wing outboard of the strut broke off?
if you look at the photos it broke inboard Of the strut

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Old 29th Jul 2019, 02:40
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Originally Posted by aeromariner View Post
if you look at the photos it broke inboard Of the strut
Seems to me that a reasonable person would’ve thunk that the Airvan has a TC and a PC plus ICA with a good history. No reason to ground them immediately. Even spend a few more minutes thinking about the early pics and the operation. Still no reason.

Otherwise ground so many other types in recent years and they would perhaps be not just a for a few days ....

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Old 29th Jul 2019, 04:44
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Ref #43.. Bureaucrats do use a 'commercial consideration'...But only one .
" Commercial in Confidence" ...if you are trying to find out how much taxpayers dollars they have wasted on some failed scheme, balls up or abandoned 'project'..
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 05:49
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Originally Posted by SITTINGBULL View Post
Not having to listen to a certain "non for profit" operator on the radio for the last week has been a blessing to the ears.
Truer words have not been posted in this thread.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 10:44
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Originally Posted by djpil View Post

Seems to me that a reasonable person would’ve thunk that the Airvan has a TC and a PC plus ICA with a good history. No reason to ground them immediately. Even spend a few more minutes thinking about the early pics and the operation. Still no reason.

Otherwise ground so many other types in recent years and they would perhaps be not just a for a few days ....

Hear! Hear!
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