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Why Isnít The VFRG Available For Download?

Old 11th Jul 2019, 06:45
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it’s not downloadable as a single .pdf.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 07:27
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I notice they've also taken On Track down; which is a shame. I'm about to do my first VFR light single flight in 5 years, it would have been nice to revise!
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 07:43
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
Ozgrade, while you are correct, the existence of pirate .pdfs guarantees that a section of the community will never have up to date information,
This. There have already been amendments (corrections) circulated associated with Edition 6 (2018).
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 08:41
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As a test, I just downloaded the latest skyview installation manual (596 Pages) to my ipad book application. Total time - less than 30 seconds, and I’m currently on a home wi-fi network in a far away place where the connectivity is not that great.

I could also have downloaded a “red lined” version that shows me the latest changes...

Since VFRG is primarily a reference document How could reverting to an online version be safe unless there is a change log and marked up version as well? One would never know what has been changed. Same goes for paper.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 08:44
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I remember when an AL of AIP was issued as plastic pages, on the grounds that there would be so few changes to AIP in the future (from back then) that the content of each page would become permanent. Such optimism was quaintly amusing.

Doing the VFG properly, continuously, takes a lot of work by a lot of competent people, not least because of the chronic state of flux of and ever-growing volume of the rules. I doubt whether CASAís finite resources can justifiably be diverted to that work and away from other priorities.

Most VFR accidents arenít caused by a lack of knowledge of the rules. Itís mostly a lack of compliance with the rules, either through inexperience or poor judgment. I donít see how having an electronic copy of the VFG available will help that much, but Iím happy to stand corrected. I suppose itís possible that end of daylight calculations would be carried out more frequently and accurately if an up to date copy of the VFG was available for download, but I donít understand why.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 09:21
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Speaking of keeping content up to date being easier with an online version: here's a good example :

Checklist | Civil Aviation Safety Authority

Check point #6 still refers to ARFOR (as of July 2019 ) and the reference therein, AIP ENR 1.1 – 87, refers to nothing pertaining to NVFR ()

... NICE! (I'll stick to my PDF).
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 09:56
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...which raises an important point:

If you’re relying on CASA to educate you on what the rules are ‘now’, using on-line resources, think again! The organisation has been in various states of busted-ness for a couple of decades or so. It doesn’t have the critical mass of resources and expertise to keep the published guidance material up to date with the ever-changing regulatory regime.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 12:50
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Regarding the PDF, I was wondering this myself, and came upon this post. I decided to write a tool that transforms casa's vfrg website to a PDF. I've hosted it on my website, but unfortunately can't post the link here as I never post on PPRuNe(you need 10 posts to be able to post a link). Send me a pm though, and I'll send through the link.
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 00:50
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Meinte, you could always just type out the link and us plebs could just cut and paste
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 01:04
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Ah yes.
It's at hellomeinte.com/projects/vfrg

PDF link at the bottom, sits at around 30mbs
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 01:34
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Such a positive contribution, a great many thanks!
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 02:25
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Nice work!
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 04:10
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Originally Posted by Meinte View Post
Ah yes.
It's at hellomeinte.com/projects/vfrg

PDF link at the bottom, sits at around 30mbs
Excellent contribution!!
Tootle pip!!
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 06:12
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Thumbs up

Originally Posted by Meinte View Post
Ah yes.
It's at hellomeinte.com/projects/vfrg

PDF link at the bottom, sits at around 30mbs
Great stuff Meinte - thanks
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 06:55
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An awesome contribution, many thanks for your work.
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 20:39
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Meinte, excellent work! Even clear, concise and no pretty pictures and diagrams. Bravo Zulu!

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Old 6th Sep 2019, 22:29
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.....so that's how a web crawler works! Meinte, thanks for your education. I learned something today, thank-you
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