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What is the percentage of commercial pilots trained by foreign schools in Australia

Old 31st May 2019, 07:03
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Originally Posted by Dick Smith View Post
.... Woolies, Coles and IGA have to share their wealth with all Australians through super funds and shares.
you make it seem like Coles/Woolies are some kind of charity Dick!
Before Aldi, our supermarket duopoly screwed their suppliers at one end and the customers at the other.
Although Iím disappointed that it was Aldi and not some local entrepreneur who stirred up this cosy arrangement, I am nevertheless glad that someone did.
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Old 31st May 2019, 08:57
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Er???? sorry I thought this blog was about aviation not a slanging match between the loony left against capitalism.
They lost the election people, get over it.
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Old 31st May 2019, 09:10
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Originally Posted by Dick Smith View Post
.... Woolies, Coles and IGA have to share their wealth with all Australians through super funds and shares.
you make it seem like Coles/Woolies are some kind of charity Dick!
Before Aldi, our supermarket duopoly screwed their suppliers at one end and the customers at the other.
Although Iím disappointed that it was Aldi and not some local entrepreneur who stirred up this cosy arrangement, I am nevertheless glad that someone did.
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Old 31st May 2019, 09:26
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Sorry the thread drift was my fault. Just pointing out Dick has form, in case there is anyone left who does not know.
Yes, we, that is Australia, could and should supply flying training to the world. On that you are correct Dick.
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Old 31st May 2019, 09:47
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Would 22,000 be considered a suitable expression of interest in the context of Australia alone ?:

Qantas has named Flight Training Adelaide (FTA) as the new training provider for its pilot academy at Wellcamp Airport in Toowoomba, west of Brisbane.

“More than 22,000 people have so far registered their interest in the Academy so we expect there to be some exceptional talent amongst them putting their hand up to commence their pilot training.”

https://australianaviation.com.au/20...lcamp-academy/
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Old 31st May 2019, 10:12
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Originally Posted by bafanguy View Post
Would 22,000 be considered a suitable expression of interest in the context of Australia alone ?:

Qantas has named Flight Training Adelaide (FTA) as the new training provider for its pilot academy at Wellcamp Airport in Toowoomba, west of Brisbane.

ďMore than 22,000 people have so far registered their interest in the Academy so we expect there to be some exceptional talent amongst them putting their hand up to commence their pilot training.Ē

https://australianaviation.com.au/20...lcamp-academy/
And FTA are owned by a Hong Kong based company. Hong Kong of course being part of China.

I wonder if more headlines will appear denouncing the "Chinese Takeover of Pilot Training" in Australia soon?
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Old 31st May 2019, 12:43
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and I wonder if the Irishman see's an opportunity to cash in on the HEC's fees available for pilot training?
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 08:56
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Are you sure FTA is foreign owned?

Who are the primary shareholders?
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 11:16
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Are you sure FTA is foreign owned?

Who are the primary shareholders?
From their web site.
ĒWe are located at Parafield Airport, South Australia. The college started operations in 1982 and over the years has had a number of corporate owners, including Hawker de Havilland and BAE SYSTEMS. In 2005 the college was purchased by Hong Kong-based Young Brothers Aviation.Ē
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 12:26
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I note the Domicile is the British Virgin Islands.

Seems a a long way away for a Hong Kong company.

No. I am not criticising. Just making a comment.

Sadly the wealth creation goes out out of our country. I feel for our grand kids.

The Aussie owned flight schools of any decent size seem to have disappeared. They claim itís not possible to be successful under to CASA requirements
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 14:39
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Does FTA not operate under CASA requirements?
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 23:59
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Dick, I don't disagree with you about the fact that large foreign companies come here, make a profit and filter that back overseas. Last time I checked that's what a successful company does, makes money.

What it does illustrate is that individuals are greedy, they make themselves wealthy with little to no regard for the country.

If I may quote someone who sold their company to an "Australian" company whose majority shareholders are from overseas, including Hong Kong.
I’m well off and can afford anything they throw at me.
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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 01:08
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Wanna. Not sure what you are implying. I sold one company to Woolworths and another to Fairfax.

I am am not opposed to a seller getting the highest price. Just pointing out that most of the Aviation industry is going to overseas hands.

Fortunately with Qantas the majority of the shares must remain Aussie owned by legislation.
If that did not exist they would be foreign owned in an instant.

We have now now lost the 10 tv network- more will follow!

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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 02:15
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Dick Smith, surely it's impossible for you to remain credible with a position such as this? Time now for you to face again your conflicted views? Time again for the viewers to form an opinion on whether you can be considered consistent and logical? Let's take a look at where you really stand on all of this.

You think your 'foreign owned schools sending the wealth and profits overseas' is an interesting one, how's this for a quietly omitted detail? Dick Smith Electronics opened stores in Hong Kong and the USA. Notwithstanding the stores may not have been profitable, the intention clearly was to make profit. That's ok, we're all fine with that. Was the plan to leave the profits in Hong Kong, Dick? Offshore the money? Maybe. It would be a business decision of course, and provided not unlawful, you could go right ahead. Ultimately though, profits generally return to the country of shareholder origin. You know that Dick.

Was it acceptable for DSE to aim to be profitable and aim to return profits to Australia? If it now happens that a foreign company does the same to Australia, itís not ok? Is that your position Dick Smith? Please answer to dispel the conflicted position.

So why is the money coming from overseas to buy up Australian flying schools? You know this one also Dick. Could it be Australian money likes the biggest gig in town - yep, you got it, its property. Dick now you're out of publishing, out of grocery retail, out of electronics - how is commercial property returning for you? You made this a public position. From an overseas perspective, the more money you park in a safe, regulated, reliable offshore market the better. The buy price is not really the issue. Basic business - preserve your capital - ala commercial property!

So the question now is, why should anyone not view your opinions as highly conflicted and illogical? Is it still correct that from your perspective we should all get out of aviation before its too late, but only the strugglers? If itís best to be out, why are you so actively interested in an industry you wish to see decline, and actively encourage so?

Given you've challenged a PPRuNe member in this thread to explain a link between his or her perceived anger and a desire to remain anonymous, is there a significance as to why you write mostly in the first person, about yourself, about your accolades, about your personal communications and most of all, use your own name? After all, this is a commentary forum intended for anonymity. You seem forever interested in self-promotion? Maybe that's just my perception.
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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 03:03
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No conflict at all.

Its all about balance.

The Pratt family are heroes of mine because they do a little to redress the imbalance.

When we own some flying schools in China I will make positive comments.

Nulli. I can see why you post anonymously.
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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 03:54
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Dick Smith, c'mon, too light on detail. Well actually, there's no detail. You can do better than that. Here are the questions again:
  • Time now for you to face again your conflicted views? Time again for the viewers to form an opinion on whether you can be considered consistent and logical?
  • Was the plan to leave the profits in Hong Kong, Dick? Offshore the money?
  • Was it acceptable for DSE to aim to be profitable and aim to return profits to Australia? If it now happens that a foreign company does the same to Australia, itís not ok?
  • Is it still correct that from your perspective we should all get out of aviation before its too late, but only the strugglers? If itís best to be out, why are you so actively interested in an industry you wish to see decline, and actively encourage so?
  • In view of a member's decision to remain anonymous, is there a significance as to why you write mostly in the first person, about yourself, about your accolades, about your personal communications and most of all, use your own name?
  • And one supplementary, why exactly is it that I (well, actually almost all of us) choose to post anonymously?
Why should anyone not view your opinions as highly conflicted and illogical?
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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 04:29
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Is it any different from somebody buying cheap goods from overseas (say, electronic goods from China), repackaging them, then reselling them in Australia at an inflated price?
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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 05:25
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Yep. A major difference.

The majority of wealth stays in Australia.

Nulli. -Every person I know would have conflicting views if we used your formula.

My major failure was not to be able to bring in the important cost cutting reforms at CASA.

Those who write to me in desperate financial situations in Aviation are the group I advise to get out before they lose everything. There is another thread which covers this very well.

Nulli. You clearly do not understand that I believe Globalisation only works when there is a balance - that clearly does not exist at the present time.

If CASA was to look at cost and not be forced to make safety the MOST IMPORTANT consideration there could be changes and GA could boom again.
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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 06:37
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Originally Posted by Dick Smith View Post
If CASA was to look at cost and not be forced to make safety the MOST IMPORTANT consideration there could be changes and GA could boom again.
CASA hasn't been a barrier to entry for all these large international training organisations. The rules might not be particularly stimulating for GA businesses in general, but it's still a level playing field and there's nothing stopping an Australian organisation (any more than an International one) from starting a large local flight school.

However, I can think of one recent opportunity for a large Australian aviation company to obtain a direct presence in local flight training that was disappointingly, but not unexpectedly outsourced to a foreign contractor.
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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 06:44
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Dick, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and invest in an Australian flying school? Oh that's right...we should all be walking away.

If CASA was there only problem there would be NO flying schools in Australia.

What percentage of Australian CPLs who are going to fly here are trained at Australian owned flying schools?
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