ASIC

[Dora-9]

A huge delay with my last renewal because their "system" wouldn't recognize my West Australian Birth Certificate (the same one I've always used for this and my passport)! To their credit, at least they kept me informed....

[Okihara]

Originally Posted by YPJT

Okihara,
In answer to your question. Technically yes you can renew the ASIC well before expiry in fact a lot of people do. If you go through the same issuing body they would probably ask to get your current ASIC off you before issuing the new one. I don't want to start the debate about having two cards, yes I know a lot of people do and for very good reason. Although the legislation is a bit unclear in this regard, there is nothing stopping a person from doing so.

... having two cards? Two ASICs? I didn't even know that this was possible, let alone legit.

[YPJT]

A huge delay with my last renewal because their "system" wouldn't recognize my West Australian Birth Certificate (the same one I've always used for this and my passport)! To their credit, at least they kept me informed....

What has happened is that the system now uses the government's document verification service to electronically match the data with the details of the certificate . So for years you might have been using your document and it is perfectly legit, however now because of some glitch or data error in a state's BDM registry there is no match and your ASIC application comes to a complete halt.
There are problems with quite a few of them.

[aroa]

Traumas about the ASIC could also come under the thread "Reasonable Security" ???
Yr Drivers Licence lasts for 10 years. If you do a crime, yr ASIC will be cancelled anyway.
They dont make it 10 yrs or Flying Licence perpetual because its all about revenue.

Instead of all the time wasting and doc hunting and fleecing the aviator, there is nothing to stop yr current police records from being reviewed on a continual basis.
If you do 'something' they'll know. If your a good citizen then there is no problem.
Is the current system 'reasonable'.
I think NOT..

[Squawk7700]

Originally Posted by Okihara

... having two cards? Two ASICs? I didn't even know that this was possible, let alone legit.

A private pilot who works as a baggage handler for an airline may be a candidate for 2 ASICS unless I am mistaken, as one is issued via his or her employer and has the employers name on it. The PPL or similar ones have CASA and your ARN on the bottom of them.

[Track Shortener]

ATC used to be able to get a red ASIC if they had an operational need as a private pilot, even if they were (for example) working in one of the centres and otherwise eligible for a grey ASIC. Five or so years ago it was decreed that we couldn't do that any more - the operational need had to be a work-related one - so there are a fair number of ATCs now with a grey Airservics ASIC and a red AUS one.

[Ascend Charlie]

Always had mine tucked into top left pocket, as it seemed to be a hazard, hanging on the company-issued neck lanyard.

Never got chipped on it, never asked to show it.

But I am still flabbergasted why your old one isn't a valid document for a renewal.

[UnderneathTheRadar]

Originally Posted by Okihara

... having two cards? Two ASICs? I didn't even know that this was possible, let alone legit.

The Merimbula mob do it (so far as the system allows) logically. You apply and send copies of all the required documents but keeping your ASIC. When they've finished processing they send the new card to their agents who will only hand it to you once you've shown them the original documents and handed over your old ASIC. Allows you to keep it current.

Of course the downside of applying well before your old one expires is that you get the 2 years currency from when the check is done - which means you'll get less than 2 years on the new card.

[Capt Fathom]

Originally Posted by Squawk7700

The PPL or similar ones have CASA and your ARN on the bottom of them.

What is a PPL ASIC? The ASIC I have does not have CASA or my ARN on it!

[Charlie Foxtrot India]

There are quite a few different issuing bodies. https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/about...ng-bodies/asic

[YPJT]

But I am still flabbergasted why your old one isn't a valid document for a renewal.

An ASIC is a Category C ID. You need at least 3 IDs under the new requirements.
A summary of the required documents are here

[zanthrus]

So if an ASIC is Cat C Id and Birth certificate is Cat A, Drivers Licence or Passport is Cat B. Why have an ASIC? Waste of time and money. Just fly around with a copy of your Birth Certificate or Drivers Licence in your pocket!

[YPJT]

Originally Posted by zanthrus

So if an ASIC is Cat C Id and Birth certificate is Cat A, Drivers Licence or Passport is Cat B. Why have an ASIC? Waste of time and money. Just fly around with a copy of your Birth Certificate or Drivers Licence in your pocket!

maybe because those documents only prove who you are. They are not evidence of having undergone and been cleared by a security background check

[Ascend Charlie]

YPJT, you needed all that ID to get the ASIC. Holding an ASIC means that you have already been identified and cleared. That card should then just be renewed with a security clearance.

[Tankengine]

Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie

YPJT, you needed all that ID to get the ASIC. Holding an ASIC means that you have already been identified and cleared. That card should then just be renewed with a security clearance.

Absolutely! This year with the new requirements I had to get a new birth certificate, (my old one was an “extract”) even though I have had an asic over thirty years. To get the birth certificate of course items like car rego papers could be used to identify me!

[Squawk7700]

Originally Posted by Tankengine

Absolutely! This year with the new requirements I had to get a new birth certificate, (my old one was an “extract”) even though I have had an asic over thirty years. To get the birth certificate of course items like car rego papers could be used to identify me!

30 years eh?

[J230]

I am currently getting my ASIC and of course it is taking longer than they say it will. I called the company I am doing my application through the other day and they actually sounded surprised when they found out how long it had been pending.

[thunderbird five]

Yes, just pre-empting the Transport Security Regulations 2005. No point leaving it til the last minute, first in best dressed and all that....

[VH DSJ]

Originally Posted by YPJT

maybe because those documents only prove who you are. They are not evidence of having undergone and been cleared by a security background check

You can get an Australian Federal Police background check done for $42. It takes about 3 days. Why do we need to complicate things because we're in the aviation industry? My AFP background check was good enough in the USA to give me an aviation security clearance there, but not so here?

[YPJT]

All these ID requirements were about 5 years in the making. During the industry consultation airlines, airports, issuing bodies and unions were all involved. The arguments made above were raised throughout the course but the Department was acting on recommendations from the Australian National Audit Office that found flaws in the existing processes. So I guess on here we can get it off our chests but like it or not, it is not going to revert in any way.

A summary of the audit here shows in some way why things were tightened up.