Giving Up.
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: australia
Age: 81
Posts: 207
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Trouble with opening a whorehouse is if you try to sample the merchandise you get slapped with a heap of sexual harassment claims.
Thread Starter
Almost all of my relatives ended up in the gas ovens of the Third Reich. The one thing that terrifies me is thus an unaccountable capricious draconian Government Authority. CASA matches that template.
Yeah they’re very comparable.
Apart from the part that they aren’t at all.
Apart from the part that they aren’t at all.
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: In my Swag
Posts: 490
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Australia
Posts: 38
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think the point is, there are many sides to GA flying of which training is only one - the other sides are gradually reducing in number. All these shiny new pilots that come out of training soon realise that it's a ponzi scheme where, unless they are fortunate to be in a cadet scheme, finding employment afterwards is less likely than winning the lotto.
Sunny,
Sometimes you post gold. Other times you post hysterical nonsense
To put it another way, get a beer in your head and go have fun. If flying is no longer fun for you, pick another hobby. Like basket weaving or knitting.
No no one is forcing you to fly, you don’t do it for a living and if you have to deal with the regulator, it’s because you’re choosing to in pursuit of your hobby.
If you end up on the wrong side of strict liability, it’s probably because you did the wrong thing, upset someone, and didn’t play ball. It’s like being pulled over by a cop for a menial offence and being a smart alec. You’ll probably walk away with a sticker and a breath test plus much wasted time.
Stop and smell the roses. Life’s to short.
Sometimes you post gold. Other times you post hysterical nonsense
To put it another way, get a beer in your head and go have fun. If flying is no longer fun for you, pick another hobby. Like basket weaving or knitting.
No no one is forcing you to fly, you don’t do it for a living and if you have to deal with the regulator, it’s because you’re choosing to in pursuit of your hobby.
If you end up on the wrong side of strict liability, it’s probably because you did the wrong thing, upset someone, and didn’t play ball. It’s like being pulled over by a cop for a menial offence and being a smart alec. You’ll probably walk away with a sticker and a breath test plus much wasted time.
Stop and smell the roses. Life’s to short.
Sunny,
In respect of your Zenith project, you are overthinking the exercise. One of my students has just completed his Z750 under guidance from his local Technical Counsellor, (SAAA). It was signed off into VH rego by our local Authorised Person, (AP), and we've flown off the Phase 1 test flying without any hitches. With Phase 1 completed, it has been signed off again by local AP and student is about to continue his training in it. There were no delays, hitches, purges, whatever from the regulator, because they appoint an AP to do this work. The APs do a good job, and good test pilots achieve the levels of safety the regulator expects from us. Don't throw away your project - enjoy the flexibility and freedom that those before you have battled long and hard for.
happy days,
In respect of your Zenith project, you are overthinking the exercise. One of my students has just completed his Z750 under guidance from his local Technical Counsellor, (SAAA). It was signed off into VH rego by our local Authorised Person, (AP), and we've flown off the Phase 1 test flying without any hitches. With Phase 1 completed, it has been signed off again by local AP and student is about to continue his training in it. There were no delays, hitches, purges, whatever from the regulator, because they appoint an AP to do this work. The APs do a good job, and good test pilots achieve the levels of safety the regulator expects from us. Don't throw away your project - enjoy the flexibility and freedom that those before you have battled long and hard for.
happy days,
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: australia
Age: 81
Posts: 207
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Sunny,
Sometimes you post gold. Other times you post hysterical nonsense
To put it another way, get a beer in your head and go have fun. If flying is no longer fun for you, pick another hobby. Like basket weaving or knitting.
No no one is forcing you to fly, you don’t do it for a living and if you have to deal with the regulator, it’s because you’re choosing to in pursuit of your hobby.
If you end up on the wrong side of strict liability, it’s probably because you did the wrong thing, upset someone, and didn’t play ball. It’s like being pulled over by a cop for a menial offence and being a smart alec. You’ll probably walk away with a sticker and a breath test plus much wasted time.
Stop and smell the roses. Life’s to short.
Sometimes you post gold. Other times you post hysterical nonsense
To put it another way, get a beer in your head and go have fun. If flying is no longer fun for you, pick another hobby. Like basket weaving or knitting.
No no one is forcing you to fly, you don’t do it for a living and if you have to deal with the regulator, it’s because you’re choosing to in pursuit of your hobby.
If you end up on the wrong side of strict liability, it’s probably because you did the wrong thing, upset someone, and didn’t play ball. It’s like being pulled over by a cop for a menial offence and being a smart alec. You’ll probably walk away with a sticker and a breath test plus much wasted time.
Stop and smell the roses. Life’s to short.
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Cairns
Age: 50
Posts: 295
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Oz
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Do you honestly think anyone can take you seriously after a comment like that? That you in your attempt to abide by flying regulations in Australia somehow is similar to the plight of Jews in Germany and Eastern Europe in the years before and including WW2?
Are you for real? Seriously can you reread that and think it is a coherent argument?
Do everyone a favour and leave aviation you do it no good. All you do is complain about airshows.
And you complain about the ADF yet lament how your relatives were killed by a regime the ADF helped topple. Do you always selectively pick your arguments and point of view for your current chain of thought?
Or here. Is a challenge.
What would make you happy? Nothing?
Cool. Then be miserable somewhere else there are plenty of people who enjoy flying. Yes people actually enjoy flying! You must be doing it wrong.
Or let's start a GoFundMe me campaign for sunfish to leave flying forever. Everyone can give a few dollars to get rid of you off here forever. I'll gladly give 50$ to never see you post again.
Your comments linking CASA to the Thrid Reicht are reprehensible and if you actually lost relatives in that conflict you should be ashamed by your post. But I suspect much like everything you write it is full of attention seeking lies.
Tell us sunfish:
What have your ever done to make this a better world For aviation or otherwise.
Last edited by CBR205; 14th Apr 2019 at 14:27.
Thread Starter
CBR;
Plenty. I’m also dismayed to see what should be a vibrant, growing part of the Australian economy getting flushed down the toilet by CASA.
I also, unlike obviously you, hate injustice, and I, unlike you, I don’t ignore it or, like you, condone it.
That CASA is in need of, to put it mildly, “reform” is not some weird construct of my fevered brain, read the @#$%ing Forsyth Review.
Furthermore, do you think that people who post here are just making stuff up?
I also note you have no constructive comments to make about CASA but just seem to want to kick heads.
What have your ever done to make this a better world For aviation or otherwise.]
I also, unlike obviously you, hate injustice, and I, unlike you, I don’t ignore it or, like you, condone it.
That CASA is in need of, to put it mildly, “reform” is not some weird construct of my fevered brain, read the @#$%ing Forsyth Review.
Furthermore, do you think that people who post here are just making stuff up?
I also note you have no constructive comments to make about CASA but just seem to want to kick heads.
Last edited by Sunfish; 14th Apr 2019 at 22:29.
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Oz
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Nobody says CASA is perfect. I doubt many or any would argue certain aspects do need change.
Linking the organisation to the World War 2 treatment of Jews by the Germans however is just disgusting.
Linking the organisation to the World War 2 treatment of Jews by the Germans however is just disgusting.
Pathetic Sunfish.
Not many of us here like CASA, in fact there’s a lot of hatred and dismay amongst EVERYONE at what it has become.
But a whole bunch of posts call you out on likening CASA to the Nazis burning Jews, and your only response is “read the f... Forsyth review”?
Absolutely pathetic. Using the most heinous war crimes in history to push your little barrow with absolutely no remorse. Wake up to yourself.
Not many of us here like CASA, in fact there’s a lot of hatred and dismay amongst EVERYONE at what it has become.
But a whole bunch of posts call you out on likening CASA to the Nazis burning Jews, and your only response is “read the f... Forsyth review”?
Absolutely pathetic. Using the most heinous war crimes in history to push your little barrow with absolutely no remorse. Wake up to yourself.
But hardly new, fifty years ago, an alternative name for the DCA (or parts of it -- the mindless enforcers) was the AIRSTAPO. As were the references to "Little Hitlers".
As for "strict liability", the use of strict liability is not the "problem", it is the CASA gross misuse of strict liability classifications of offenses in legislation, that is the issue.
If you take the trouble to look at the legislative guidelines, and the basic principles of criminal liability, it is fundamental that "strict liability" cannot be used (or should not be used) where there is any element of such as operational decision making.
Put more correctly, if mens rea is involved.
Strict liability should only be the classification of an offense where the "facts" are black and white --- do you have a license for you dog, did you park in a No Parking zone ---- Actus rea --- the physical elements of the offense need only to be proven.
One of the legislative guidelines states that "administrative convenience" should never be a reason for a "strict liability" classification.
Nothing that involves the typical decision making of day to day flying should be a strict liability offense ---- but in the CASA regulations it clearly is. If you look at the FAA Part 91 provision, it makes it clear that the pilot in command can violate any number of regulations, if necessary to save the aircraft, Australian aviation regulations makes no such provision.
Tootle pip!!
FAR §91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.
(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.
(b) In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action, the pilot in command may deviate from any rule of this part to the extent required to meet that emergency.
(c) Each pilot in command who deviates from a rule under paragraph (b) of this section shall, upon the request of the Administrator, send a written report of that deviation to the Administrator.
PS: There is a NSW Appeal Court decision that is powerful re. authority of the PIC in an emergency, but few know about it and CASA ignores it --- look up Austlii or similar for Markey.
Last edited by LeadSled; 14th Apr 2019 at 23:56.
Not fully completing a line in yr log book, with CAsA that is a strict liability crime for which you are convicted and fined. Been there, had that.
Hardly likely to cause an accident or bring down an aircraft..!
The bit that hurts is... that offence conviction (and criminal record) does not meet the Government guidelines on what constitutes a crime.. Nobody is robbed, injured or killed or otherwise hurt.
This is just CAsA's Stalanist authoritarian , control freakery gone mad. But who cares?
I was advise 17 years ago that this sort of ' non safety issue thing was to be reduced to either warning, licence points loss or a small admin fine.
Due to the nature of the Bully Bureaucracy, that never finishes anything, this has never happened.
And never likely to either.
Unless CAsA and those that create all this sh*te are wiped out, can the Industry start again under an Industry supervised agency, with serious Govt oversighting powers and which is pulled back into the Australian Public Service.and that code of conduct.
This free floating CAsA ;crap box' without oversight and control, is going down the gutter and taking GA with it.
Sunny...Flying and aircraft are addictive and if you care enough you will NOT give up.
Dont let the bastards grind you down...especially not these CAsA bastards
Fly safe ... and free !
Hardly likely to cause an accident or bring down an aircraft..!
The bit that hurts is... that offence conviction (and criminal record) does not meet the Government guidelines on what constitutes a crime.. Nobody is robbed, injured or killed or otherwise hurt.
This is just CAsA's Stalanist authoritarian , control freakery gone mad. But who cares?
I was advise 17 years ago that this sort of ' non safety issue thing was to be reduced to either warning, licence points loss or a small admin fine.
Due to the nature of the Bully Bureaucracy, that never finishes anything, this has never happened.
And never likely to either.
Unless CAsA and those that create all this sh*te are wiped out, can the Industry start again under an Industry supervised agency, with serious Govt oversighting powers and which is pulled back into the Australian Public Service.and that code of conduct.
This free floating CAsA ;crap box' without oversight and control, is going down the gutter and taking GA with it.
Sunny...Flying and aircraft are addictive and if you care enough you will NOT give up.
Dont let the bastards grind you down...especially not these CAsA bastards
Fly safe ... and free !
