Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions
Reload this Page >

Glen Buckley and Australian small business -V- CASA

The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions The place for students, instructors and charter guys in Oz, NZ and the rest of Oceania.

Glen Buckley and Australian small business -V- CASA

Old 1st Apr 2023, 22:55
  #2541 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 414
Likes: 0
Received 18 Likes on 6 Posts
Hi Glen, hope youíre doing well.

any updates at all since your last correspondence?

havick is online now  
Old 3rd Apr 2023, 21:40
  #2542 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: melbourne
Age: 57
Posts: 974
Likes: 0
Received 12 Likes on 9 Posts
Magnum PI

Good Morning Magnum,
Thanks for the feedback, and sorry for the delay in responding. Regarding a website, i take on board what you say, and certainly a consideration going forward. One thing that I will say about PPRuNe is that i very much value the interactive nature of it and the feedback that i get from people. Something that could get lost if I was to set up a website. The other concern that i have is that people may not visit it, as its a single purpose destination unlike PPRuNe where people go to to look at a range of topics. Saying that i do agree and i think that will be the next logical step.

To be transparent, I have had my "one flew over the cuckoo's nest moment", and i am currently in a psychiatric facility, after a family intervention. The cumulative toll of this over the last four years finally caught up with me, and here I am. Its actually been very good for me, and i anticipate being out in two to three weeks, ready to dust myself off and move forward. First thing is to get myself into a new job.
appreciate you following the story, and sticking by my side. Cheers and thanks Glen.
glenb is offline  
Old 3rd Apr 2023, 23:13
  #2543 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: melbourne
Age: 57
Posts: 974
Likes: 0
Received 12 Likes on 9 Posts
Ahh, the value of the local MP

As you may recall for those that have been folowing prior to the last election we had Liberal MP, Ms Gladys Liu who refused to even meet with me during her tenure. Prior to the election i spoke to the Labor Candidate Ms carina Garland who assured me that the would assist me if elected. I received this rather brief correspondence from her office the other day.

If there was any doubt in my mind about the importance of independent representatives, it has been dispelled.Hi Glen,



Apologies for the delay in getting back to you.



As agreed, we have raised your case directly with Minister Kingís office and they have advised that we are unable to assist further with this matter.



Iím sorry I donít have better news.



Kind regards,



Jarrod Panther

Office of Dr Carina Garland MP

Federal Member for Chisholm
glenb is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2023, 00:44
  #2544 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Aus
Posts: 138
Received 13 Likes on 6 Posts
Originally Posted by glenb
Hi Glen,

Apologies for the delay in getting back to you.

As agreed, we have raised your case directly with Minister Kingís office and they have advised that we are unable to assist further with this matter.

Iím sorry I donít have better news.

Kind regards,

Jarrod Panther

Office of Dr Carina Garland MP

Federal Member for Chisholm
That's an outrageous reply from one of her staffers.

Do I take it that they are unwilling to assist you further in any way?

Glen, I'm glad to hear that you are getting help, but saddened that this saga has driven you to this point.

MagnumPI is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2023, 01:47
  #2545 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: australia
Posts: 1,619
Received 15 Likes on 11 Posts
Glen, Sorry to hear were you are at, and I’m sure the outcome will be extra positive
Getting totally stressed out mentally doesn’t do your physical condition any good either and when your are run down to the max that’s when one becomes vulnerable to infections and your immunity is under strain.
I speak for experience here, currently still unwell. SO as I found out too late a good physical condition is imperative for mind AND body.
Go well.

Responses from Pollywafflers…had the same. Not worth a cracker.
aroa is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2023, 05:19
  #2546 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: moon
Posts: 3,556
Received 74 Likes on 27 Posts
we are unable to assist further with this matter.
That is because CASA has been set up at arms length from Government. It was done this way to shield the Government of the day from any liability for air accidents; We have an independent Reserve Bank for exactly the same reason; to shield the Government from peoples rage over interest rate increases. The Minister has only marginal involvement through her statement of expectations.

It's called a Faustian Bargain*

Successive Governments are protected from aviation liability by CASA in return for allowing CASA to rape the aviation industry at will.

I hope Glen Buckley makes a full recovery. He says, I think, that he is currently in a psychiatric ward courtesy of CASA. This apparently also explains the non appearance of AOPAs Tuesday youtube broadcast.


*Faustian bargain," a deal with the devil trading a soul for diabolical powers; eg. eternal youth.
Sunfish is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2023, 06:04
  #2547 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Equatorial
Age: 50
Posts: 920
Received 25 Likes on 15 Posts
AND THIS IS HOW IT goes, the powers that be don't give a fcuk about Glen, the people he thinks he's let down, or anyone. They just want to push him until well....... They will think they have succeeded.

I for one will start by throwing a measly $100 into a gofundme campaign for Glen, be it for survival or to put to a solicitor. I have no idea how they work but know how to click the buttons to donate.

This really is outrageous.
Global Aviator is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Old 5th Apr 2023, 03:42
  #2548 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Aus
Posts: 138
Received 13 Likes on 6 Posts
Meanwhile, this just in - more vomit-inducing rubbish from the top mandarin at CASA:

Director of Aviation Safety, Pip Spence

Safety is CASA's key objective but it depends on much more than simply being a regulator.

We're keenly aware that every passenger who boards an aircraft in Australia expects their safety authority and industry to work together to ensure they safely reach their destination.

It's a sector-wide responsibility that would get nowhere without the cooperation and actions of individuals, aviation operators and the companies that support them.

That's why we recently reviewed and endorsed the regulatory philosophy that guides us in making our decisions and, we hope, supports you.

That philosophy commits us to approaching our regulatory functions consultatively and collaboratively while taking into account relevant considerations such as cost.

It also requires us to communicate meaningfully with stakeholders, build trust and respect and fairly balance the need for consistency with flexibility.

As a safety authority, there are occasions when we need to take legitimate action against people flouting the rules.

When this happens, our regulatory philosophy tells us to employ a rational 'just culture', proportionality and discretion as well as natural justice and fairness in exercising our powers.

Having a regulatory philosophy is a good start but we also need to be seen to be applying it.

A practical example of the regulatory philosophy in action is our General Aviation Workplan aimed at reducing the regulatory burden on the general aviation sector and some of the specific initiatives we are working to.
Where was just culture, proportionality, discretion, natural justice, and fairness applied in Glen's case?
MagnumPI is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Old 5th Apr 2023, 03:57
  #2549 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Canberra ACT Australia
Posts: 475
Received 49 Likes on 28 Posts
There was no Youtube broadcast from AOPA last night (Tuesday 4 April) because Ben Morgan and I were in Mudgee at an aerodrome user's meeting with the aerodrome operator (the local Council).

However, lots of work has continued, in the background, on the arrangements for broadcasts (plural) that relate to Glen's plight. I expect Ben will make an announcement later today about the broadcast planned for next Tuesday (11 April).
Clinton McKenzie is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Old 9th Apr 2023, 00:02
  #2550 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: melbourne
Age: 57
Posts: 974
Likes: 0
Received 12 Likes on 9 Posts
Please don't miss this!!!!!!!

An upcoming Facebook conference that should prove very revealing

glenb is offline  
Old 9th Apr 2023, 15:03
  #2551 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: moon
Posts: 3,556
Received 74 Likes on 27 Posts
Glen, $10 to your nominated charity if this tell - all, as advertised, is streamed.

I'm willing to bet that it will be suppressed either by injunction, or if I heard right that the person is serving RAAF, than by a direct order from above to shut up quoting military law.

I hope I lose this bet.
Sunfish is offline  
Old 9th Apr 2023, 21:53
  #2552 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 331
Received 6 Likes on 4 Posts
Originally Posted by Sunfish
Glen, $10 to your nominated charity if this tell - all, as advertised, is streamed.

I'm willing to bet that it will be suppressed either by injunction, or if I heard right that the person is serving RAAF, than by a direct order from above to shut up quoting military law.

I hope I lose this bet.

I thought the same thing myself but didn't comment. I would put it out there before anyone tries to put a legal stop to it.
mcoates is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2023, 06:38
  #2553 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: australia
Posts: 1,619
Received 15 Likes on 11 Posts
Port #2548 MagnumP1.. Upchuck from Ms Spence. Obviously been taking lesson from Dr Discrepancy.
What load of tosh ! In the real world application of all those lovely motherhood statements disappear like they were never made.
aroa is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2023, 13:10
  #2554 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: moon
Posts: 3,556
Received 74 Likes on 27 Posts
Bugger. looks like I won my bet.

Lets see:
-serving RAAF - conduct prejudicial etc.
- former CASA - confidentiality clauses
- then defamation.







Sunfish is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2023, 15:52
  #2555 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Depends
Posts: 82
Received 14 Likes on 7 Posts
Hi Glen,
I've watched with horror and frustration, and seen the dramatic effect it has had on your livelihood and health to be the one with your finger stuck in the dike as the raging seas pound away. Not daring to get involved as I don't know the full details of your matter. I would venture to say that you haven't drilled down to the fine details either, being too close to the action be able to put it into writing to cover all the aspects.

There is a glimmer of hope I can offer you, that may strike firmly at this grave injustice that hasn't been remedied.

Will you join the top of the queue for a mention at the proposed National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) about to start operating in Australia? See https://www.ag.gov.au/integrity/nati...ion-commission - it has been a long time coming, and while it may not be the best that is available, at least something has finally been agreed by the politicians.

They will be keen to show they have teeth, and if there is a political witch-hunt to be made out, they will possibly take the ball and run far with it. I must comment cynically, as with the Robodebt Royal Commission, if the current government can score political mileage from it, rest assured they will support your case for their own ends.

Understandably, the incumbent politician Catherine King will possibly not have any involvement in what has happened in the past, and will not be wise to get involved, so will be able to steer clear of getting caught in the backlash when the questions start to fly. Previous ministers from the other party would probably be quaking in their boots once called. Rest assured the public servants and qangos will all develop SEVERE amnesia! Be sure the paper trail is carefully preserved and consistent to combat this.

I would recommend you have professional legal help to navigate your submission however. I would suggest you are out of your depth here if you continue to fly solo. A GoFundMe campaign may be one way of ensuring enough funds are raised to start the ball rolling.

You should also have the media prepped. Manufactured outrage in social media eventually got the Robodebt Royal Commission rolling.

I can advise from observation over many years in the hallowed halls of our federal parliament that Inquiries and Royal Commissions are never announced unless the outcomes are known beforehand, and the scapegoats carefully identified, and their foreign postings to cushy overseas jobs pre-determined. In your case a Royal Commission may not be necessary, as the scapegoats will be clearly identified in the pages of these forums, and submissions your legal representative will put forward on your behalf.

I cannot emphasise strongly enough that you definitely need professional assistance, as you will be pitted against the public service, advised by the Attorney General, and their lawyers. I'm sorry to be blunt, but the sad history documented in these forums clearly shows you are out of your depth against these faceless qangos. You need to hit them hard the first time so they don't have time to again draw their wagons into a circle.

Plan your strategy well, and be bold!

You may find a keen young lawyer that would be willing to work pro bono (free) as a stepping stone to their fame and fortune in taking your case on.

Watch the Australian movie 'The Castle' for ideas. [You want Lawrence Hammill, not Dennis Denuto helping you!]

See
- the ninety minutes of deep humour masking a very serious subject of truth and fundamental rights may brighten up your day considerably. It is nearly compulsory viewing for legal students in Australia, and will possibly clarify your mind in what direction to take. [Fun fact: the house near YMEN that was part of the movie is sadly recently gone up country, but you can see the street just over the fence]

Best of luck with it, and I hope your health issues are temporary and fully reversible.

Last edited by Thirsty; 11th Apr 2023 at 20:43.
Thirsty is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2023, 16:00
  #2556 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Depends
Posts: 82
Received 14 Likes on 7 Posts
Suggestion: Carefully take snapshots of the entire contents of this thread, regularly, as the takedown injunction to the hoster will be unannounced, swift and bulletproof.
Thirsty is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Old 12th Apr 2023, 03:09
  #2557 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 331
Received 6 Likes on 4 Posts
Originally Posted by Sunfish
Bugger. looks like I won my bet.

Lets see:
-serving RAAF - conduct prejudicial etc.
- former CASA - confidentiality clauses
- then defamation.
Does this mean we are not getting the "Tell-All" update as mentioned in the video by Mr. Morgan ?
mcoates is offline  
Old 12th Apr 2023, 03:46
  #2558 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: moon
Posts: 3,556
Received 74 Likes on 27 Posts
Wish I knew. As has been pointed out, it's not a good idea to telegraph all your punches and you should make sure an offshore (outside Australian jurisdiction) third party has copies of the story, if Mr, Morgan gets "warm" and actually alarms CASA, they can bankrupt AOPA via legal fees without raising a sweat,
Sunfish is offline  
Old 12th Apr 2023, 03:53
  #2559 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 3,561
Received 69 Likes on 28 Posts
Originally Posted by Sunfish
Wish I knew. As has been pointed out, it's not a good idea to telegraph all your punches and you should make sure an offshore (outside Australian jurisdiction) third party has copies of the story, if Mr, Morgan gets "warm" and actually alarms CASA, they can bankrupt AOPA via legal fees without raising a sweat,
So basically you have no idea and itís still going ahead or did someone post something about it elsewhere such as Ben?
Squawk7700 is offline  
Old 12th Apr 2023, 04:12
  #2560 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 331
Received 6 Likes on 4 Posts
Originally Posted by Squawk7700
So basically you have no idea and itís still going ahead or did someone post something about it elsewhere such as Ben?
this is what confused me also, I was waiting for an update, as in, the next part of the story but then comments were made that it wasn't going to happen and somebody won their bet that it wasn't going to happen. This makes me believe it is not going to happen from the outside looking in but I know there is significant interest in what is going on here and a resolution to Glen's issues. This is why I originally asked if it had been shut down after those comments came through ?
mcoates is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.