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Old 10th Feb 2019, 23:59
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Choose the person who looks least likely to cause a fuss about it to the tired and naff contractor.
Watch closely, the explosive sniffer operator makes a note each time a passenger gets "sniffed". It is all a matter of quotas.

Dally at the end of the x-ray machine baggage roller until the sniffer operator pulls over a new "customer" then nip through.

I beat them every time!
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 07:06
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As the ID is never checked how do they know if the person named on the ticket is the one travelling?. Therefore the bag travelling may not be theirs!
The security is a theatre for the public.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 08:52
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As the ID is never checked how do they know if the person named on the ticket is the one travelling?
There is quite a push from the Feds to reintroduce ID requirements. They are using the "terrorism" flag to get what they want, but is really to combat organized crime ie keeping tabs on known criminals thus getting the industry to do their work for them.
Therefore the bag travelling may not be theirs!
So therefore there is an assumed lower risk that there would be a bag substitution. Why would that happen if it is just Big Joe from the Finks travelling. Also they are working off the old school theory that a bad guy putting something nasty on an aircraft does not want to be on it when it does what it does. These days the bad guy tends to get on board with the bag with something nasty in it. It will have his bag tag on it. That's what the baggage Xray machines are for. That's why there is 100% bag screening. Then it doesn't matter who's name is on the bag, as long as whatever nasty is in the bag does not get on the aircraft.
In the end reality has to be considered. Someone wanting to do something nasty wants to make an impression. The assessed risk is they won't waste their time (or life) on a smaller aircraft and less people. A line has to be drawn somewhere.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 08:57
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It is all a matter of quotas.
Not so much quotas as record keeping. When they get audited by Homeland, the spooks will know how many passengers have gone through screening. The screeners will need to demonstrate that they have ETD'd a sufficient percentage of the pax to meet the "random and continuous" percentage that will exceed whatever magic number the spooks will decide is adequate.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 09:06
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Originally Posted by Dick Smith View Post
The screening base on the pax number in the aircraft sounds like “ affordable safety “ to me.

Great. But admit to it!
Nowhere does The Department of Home Affairs say that security has to be "affordable", so they have nothing to admit to.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 11:19
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I just walk straight to the bomb sniffer, it's maybe one extra minute and gives me chance to get dressed before I head to the gate.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 11:39
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I walk straight to the bomb sniffer because I know that I will be *randomly* selected 95% of the time, so it saves time in the long term :-) Either that or I look dodgy.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 19:43
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And yet no one questions why it is that we need this security?
Putting a band aid on a cancer doesn’t cure it. In this case, we are simply putting bigger and bigger and ever more expensive band aids on the cancer.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 00:21
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700 View Post
I walk straight to the bomb sniffer because I know that I will be *randomly* selected 95% of the time, so it saves time in the long term :-) Either that or I look dodgy.

Yes, you look dodgy !
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 21:14
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And yet no one questions why it is that we need this security?
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Putting a band aid on a cancer doesn’t cure it. In this case, we are simply putting bigger and bigger and ever more expensive band aids on the cancer.
Well, we could just use the "head in the sand" technique. Didn't work too well in London, Barcelona, France..........
But (more) seriously.....you have to have a two pronged approach. One, using your "band-aid" approach to provide some sort of deterrent for idiots...and two, secret squirrel, back room, cloak and dagger stuff...to weed out the nasty, intelligent ones. We don't hear much about the number twos, as we don't need to...but it's certainly going on.
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 08:24
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Originally Posted by peuce View Post
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Well, we could just use the "head in the sand" technique. Didn't work too well in London, Barcelona, France..........
But (more) seriously.....you have to have a two pronged approach. One, using your "band-aid" approach to provide some sort of deterrent for idiots...and two, secret squirrel, back room, cloak and dagger stuff...to weed out the nasty, intelligent ones. We don't hear much about the number twos, as we don't need to...but it's certainly going on.
Peuce, you have said the “number twos” are smart so you can be sure they are not travelling under their own identity and as there is no ID checks there is no way they can be monitored. The only way is facial recognition or AI, maybe both.
Australia still has its head in the sand regarding security, we still have to hope we never have a major event here as security is just theatre for the masses.
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 09:36
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we still have to hope we never have a major event here
Agreed! However Propstop, I have a sad feeling that such an event is more or less inevitable for Australia in the not-too-distant future!

Then we will really see the excrement hit the rotary oscillator!

There will be massive amounts of finger pointing by Politicians of all persuasions and a gross knee jerk reaction in legislation which will do nothing at all to prevent another occurrence, but will cause huge inconvenience for the general Public and gross restrictions on personal liberties.
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 12:03
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Peuce,....They had bigger and even more expensive band aids in France, London etc...... and as for smart No. 2s? I’m not so optimistic about their “smartness”. Nevertheless, the cost of monitoring the bad guys and their families is astronomical and that’s what bugs me. Huge $$$
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