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Old 5th Feb 2019, 04:52
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Are you allowed to practise stalls when flying solo in Australia? Assume the pilot holds current licence and medical certificate but is endorsed for neither spinning nor aerobatics.

As outlined in previous threads, CAR used to define straight and steady stalls as no aerobatic manoeuvre. In the meantime the paragraph was removed and I can't find regulation that says an instructor has to be present if stalls are to be done.

Assume also best practice: sufficient altitude to recover by 3000 ft. AGL, HASELL checks, no populated areas, daytime, no whisky in the 8 hours immediately preceding departure for said stall practice.

Is there a definite answer to this question?
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My interpretation of the very question is that the applicable context falls under CASR 61.385, aka. General competency rule, https://www.casa.gov.au/standard-page/general-competency-pilots.

As such, the decision to practice of straight and steady stalls when solo rests with the pilot and is allowed under this rule.
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Yes you can.
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Yes you can.
Any reference/regulation/reasoning to support that?
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No rule anywhere which states that a pilot with a licence may not do stalls but note the new definition of aerobatics. Don't abruptly pitch nose down to recover because that would be aerobatics!

A few years ago CASA redefined aerobatics as:
"aerobatic manoeuvres, for an aircraft, means manoeuvres of the aircraft that involvea) bank angles that are greater than 60°; or
(b) pitch angles that are greater than 45°, or are otherwise abnormal to the aircraft type; or
(c) abrupt changes of speed, direction, angle of bank or angle of pitch."

So no longer conforms to the ICAO definition.

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Watch the old FAA "stalling for safety" video on youtube. Keeps it real without getting gnarly.
Just do it with lots of height, remember your training?
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No rule anywhere which states that a pilot with a licence may not do stalls but note the new definition of aerobatics. Don't abruptly pitch nose down to recover because that would be aerobatics!

A few years ago CASA redefined aerobatics as:
"aerobatic manoeuvres, for an aircraft, means manoeuvres of the aircraft that involvea) bank angles that are greater than 60°; or
(b) pitch angles that are greater than 45°, or are otherwise abnormal to the aircraft type; or
(c) abrupt changes of speed, direction, angle of bank or angle of pitch."

So no longer conforms to the ICAO definition.
... aka. as long as you're comfortably in the stall and at no cost trying to recovering from it then you should be fine doing it solo

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So no dramatic youtube videoclips to be posted.
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Are you allowed to practise stalls when flying solo in Australia?
Who is going to know... unless you tell someone! ​​​​​​​
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your ADSB will tell on you
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What if you accidentally stall?

multiple times...
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If you have the appropriate rating, flight review, proficiency check, your fine. Just operate within the AFM limits. It should tell you what the permissible manoeuvres are.
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you need to recognise the characteristics of each type with different configurations. practice away.
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If you have the appropriate rating, flight review, proficiency check, your fine. Just operate within the AFM limits. It should tell you what the permissible manoeuvres are.
If so, what exactly are those?
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Angel

Hey Bravo.....et Al....

I AM 'old', and I still like to practice 'stalls and 'spins' etc... just to 'ensure' that I will continue to grow a whole lot 'older'.....and still enjoy my 'dancing amongst the clouds'....

Live Life..!!!
Cheers...…...
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Why wouldn’t you practise stalling, it is a basic training manoeuvre that all pilots should be competent in carrying out.
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Why wouldn’t you practise stalling....

... when you 'nearly' practice stalling every landing!
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Originally Posted by Okihara
If so, what exactly are those?
The ones written in the POH for your aeroplane.
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Originally Posted by djpil
The ones written in the POH for your aeroplane.
I was referring to:
If you have the appropriate rating, flight review, proficiency check, your fine
What rating other the class or type rating?
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....and still enjoy my 'dancing amongst the clouds'....

Careful there Griffo, the walls have ears. Perhaps 'dancing between the clouds'?
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