Can you fly with expired ASIC?
I think people need to have a bloody good read of the Aviation Transport Security Act.
Go mining...you will find some sparkling gems of bureaucracy gone bonkers.
A mate ...who had a renewal application in already, and a 'She Who Must Be Obeyed' from the Dept told him he must not even taxy his aircraft, let alone fly it !!
Go mining...you will find some sparkling gems of bureaucracy gone bonkers.
A mate ...who had a renewal application in already, and a 'She Who Must Be Obeyed' from the Dept told him he must not even taxy his aircraft, let alone fly it !!
Aroa, Hope you’re mate got the Boss Meri to put her words in writing.
Got a quote from Darwin International Airport (DIA) this morning to renew mine, $220.
IMHO it’s a total waste of $220, but what alternative do I have if I want to fly from Darwin or any other airport that has RPT ops. If the validity periods were for 5 years or more I may have a slightly different opinion.
Can you still get a discount at airport shops and duty free with a valid ASIC at most airports?
Got a quote from Darwin International Airport (DIA) this morning to renew mine, $220.
IMHO it’s a total waste of $220, but what alternative do I have if I want to fly from Darwin or any other airport that has RPT ops. If the validity periods were for 5 years or more I may have a slightly different opinion.
Can you still get a discount at airport shops and duty free with a valid ASIC at most airports?
Ducky...Yep, all in a big hefty letter.
The 2 year bit is all about revenue gathering and keeping them folks at the desks looking busy.
Wouldnt mind if it was 10 years, like a Drivers Licence. Why not perpetual...if you abuse it you lose it, as you will
Lets face it , after all the security checks...if you do something naughty, they'll cancel it immediately anyway 1 year or 8.
Its a classic example of how Oz bureaucrazies grow and get all 'hairy chested', like we are, in all likelihood to get up to no good just because you have/access to an aircraft.
With or without an ASIC a potential terrorist, security cleared or not, and not on the radar , will do what they do regardless of any plastic card.
Did the USA get into this circus for pilots after 9/11?
NO., they asked pilots and airport people to be part of the security system , keep a look out for suspicious activity and report to the appropriate authorities what gives.
The 2 year bit is all about revenue gathering and keeping them folks at the desks looking busy.
Wouldnt mind if it was 10 years, like a Drivers Licence. Why not perpetual...if you abuse it you lose it, as you will
Lets face it , after all the security checks...if you do something naughty, they'll cancel it immediately anyway 1 year or 8.
Its a classic example of how Oz bureaucrazies grow and get all 'hairy chested', like we are, in all likelihood to get up to no good just because you have/access to an aircraft.
With or without an ASIC a potential terrorist, security cleared or not, and not on the radar , will do what they do regardless of any plastic card.
Did the USA get into this circus for pilots after 9/11?
NO., they asked pilots and airport people to be part of the security system , keep a look out for suspicious activity and report to the appropriate authorities what gives.
How long are most people waiting to get their new ASIC issued? Submitted my application 6 weeks ago and I have received nothing other than being told than my application has been approved and essentially wait....
If I needed the card for employment and had to wait over 6 weeks, I would be ropable particularly if I wasn't getting paid. Next time I will submit 3 months in advance to ensure I don't end up with an expired card. For the money we need to pay, the delay in processing time is ridiculous particularly considering that I've held a pilots licence for over 30 years, what's the place coming too??
If I needed the card for employment and had to wait over 6 weeks, I would be ropable particularly if I wasn't getting paid. Next time I will submit 3 months in advance to ensure I don't end up with an expired card. For the money we need to pay, the delay in processing time is ridiculous particularly considering that I've held a pilots licence for over 30 years, what's the place coming too??
How long are most people waiting to get their new ASIC issued?
How long are most people waiting to get their new ASIC issued? Submitted my application 6 weeks ago and I have received nothing other than being told than my application has been approved and essentially wait....
ever since they rolled over tonthe new AUSCHECK system as well as ID verification last October there has been a noticeable slowdown in processing times. Don’t be too quick to take it out on the issuing body you applied through as often the delays are out of their control.
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How long are most people waiting to get their new ASIC issued? Submitted my application 6 weeks ago and I have received nothing other than being told than my application has been approved and essentially wait....
If I needed the card for employment and had to wait over 6 weeks, I would be ropable particularly if I wasn't getting paid. Next time I will submit 3 months in advance to ensure I don't end up with an expired card. For the money we need to pay, the delay in processing time is ridiculous particularly considering that I've held a pilots licence for over 30 years, what's the place coming too??
If I needed the card for employment and had to wait over 6 weeks, I would be ropable particularly if I wasn't getting paid. Next time I will submit 3 months in advance to ensure I don't end up with an expired card. For the money we need to pay, the delay in processing time is ridiculous particularly considering that I've held a pilots licence for over 30 years, what's the place coming too??
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is there any reference to that? Not disputing it but Never heard of that ruling.
The AUSCHECK cost is incurred as soon as the submit button is clicked by the issuing body. In the case where an application is not proceeded with or is refused only the card cost, depending on the respective issuing body, may be refunded.
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An Oz passport renewal costs $295 and is valid for 10 years.
My EU passport renewal costs 85EUD and is valid for 5 years.
Both these documents contain a security chip, special photo, are tamper resistant, can be processed by globally available equipment, and are an accepted method worldwide of proving you are you.
An ASIC is just "me too" bureaucracy gone wrong and has much weaker security and is more expensive to own for that privilege. The verification methods are often unenforced and when they are enforced are extremely unsophisticated.
I recall that the main reason for the obscene cost was with the printing of the ASIC itself. If this is still the case and hasn't been rectified in the last decade then it all must be a rort.
Can you fly with an expired ASIC? Yes you can and many do with unfettered freedom - but not in Australia.
My EU passport renewal costs 85EUD and is valid for 5 years.
Both these documents contain a security chip, special photo, are tamper resistant, can be processed by globally available equipment, and are an accepted method worldwide of proving you are you.
An ASIC is just "me too" bureaucracy gone wrong and has much weaker security and is more expensive to own for that privilege. The verification methods are often unenforced and when they are enforced are extremely unsophisticated.
I recall that the main reason for the obscene cost was with the printing of the ASIC itself. If this is still the case and hasn't been rectified in the last decade then it all must be a rort.
Can you fly with an expired ASIC? Yes you can and many do with unfettered freedom - but not in Australia.
Squawk,
is there any reference to that? Not disputing it but Never heard of that ruling.
The AUSCHECK cost is incurred as soon as the submit button is clicked by the issuing body. In the case where an application is not proceeded with or is refused only the card cost, depending on the respective issuing body, may be refunded.
If anyone has received an ASIC that is dated from the time of the application rather than with a few days of issuing / receiving it, you need to contact the provider and if no luck the ombudsman.
From the CASA web site.
https://www.casa.gov.au/standard-pag...tions-answered
The expiry dates for ASICs are based on the date of the criminal history record and is always the last day of the month. The date of expiry of an ASIC must not be longer than two years from the time the security checks are completed. This means that if your security check was completed on 11 May 2009, your ASIC would have an expiry date of 30 April 2011.
ASICs are issued following the background security check and assessment. In some cases the assessment process involves further investigations before the card can be issued. In this instance the validity period will be reduced depending on the outcome of the assessment of the application, and the eligibility period will usually be not more than one year.
https://www.casa.gov.au/standard-pag...tions-answered
The expiry dates for ASICs are based on the date of the criminal history record and is always the last day of the month. The date of expiry of an ASIC must not be longer than two years from the time the security checks are completed. This means that if your security check was completed on 11 May 2009, your ASIC would have an expiry date of 30 April 2011.
ASICs are issued following the background security check and assessment. In some cases the assessment process involves further investigations before the card can be issued. In this instance the validity period will be reduced depending on the outcome of the assessment of the application, and the eligibility period will usually be not more than one year.
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I recall that the main reason for the obscene cost was with the printing of the ASIC itself. If this is still the case and hasn't been rectified in the last decade then it all must be a rort.
Cloudee,
That CASA information is incorrect. An ASIC clearance remains in force 2 years from the end of the month in which the clearance was issued. Which probably relates to the point Squawk is making. A clearance issued today 13/02/2019 would expire 28/02/2021. So you get the best bang for your buck if your clearance comes in early in the month rather than right at the end. Very frustrating when you see someone has waited a few weeks only to get their clearance on the last day of the month.
A further example of CASAs ignorance in relation to Aviation Security, on a number of occasions I know of, they advised foreign pilots flying in Australia that they didn't need an ASIC to exercise the privileges of their certificates of validation. What they didn't tell them though is that they could not be given unescorted access to security controlled airports during times which ASIC display is required. Not too surprising though as their appointed contractor who processes ASICs on their behalf still refers to DOTARS on their web home page.
Thanks for the info everyone, what’s involved in the front up bs interview to collect this red thing with my mug shot on it that’s costed me the equivalent of 5 or 6 slabs of piss? 🙃
CASA now require an ASIC to process a certificate of validation, but that wasn't always the case.
The annoying thing for foreigners coming to fly here is that they can get an AVID in advance, but can’t apply for an ASIC until they get here, which of course means they can’t visit controlled Airports on their air safaris. Some people come here, do a big trip and receive their ASIC just before they leave the country :-(
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Wait a minute. I understood that you need to display an ASIC when airside at AD Security Controlled aerodrome or, at least, be accompanied by someone who has one. Wouldn't it be enough for foreign visitors wishing to land at such places to ring up the AD manager (who supposedly has an ASIC) and ask him/her to escort them on their airside movements to/from the aircraft?