Can you fly with expired ASIC?

[griffster94]

Originally Posted by lucille

I’d like to know if the ASIC vetting process actually rejects anyone with good reason. Judging by the numbers of dodgy baggage handlers with ASICS in Sydney and Melbourne over the years, I’d say the buggeration factor far exceeds its value.

Yeah I didn’t know that. So they’re happy to give dodgy baggage handlers one, but not Aero club members who are not pilots but need it.

[megan]

Some years ago received an ASIC in the mail, never had one, hadn't applied for one, didn't have my name on it, but what the hell. Was returned to sender.

[Pinky the pilot]

And I once knew of a person who had an ASIC that from memory, exprired April 2008.

I believe he still has it! Just never got around to handing it in.

[Capt Fathom]

My God. When mine expired, I had seconds to either renew it or post back the old card pronto or face legal action.
I dropped it in the post box and said goodbye ASIC.
$254 per card. What a rort.

[Traffic_Is_Er_Was]

I’d like to know if the ASIC vetting process actually rejects anyone with good reason.

What's a bad reason to reject someone during the ASIC vetting process?

[Squawk7700]

Originally Posted by Capt Fathom

My God. When mine expired, I had seconds to either renew it or post back the old card pronto or face legal action.
I dropped it in the post box and said goodbye ASIC.
$254 per card. What a rort.

I got threatened with that too. I almost get compelled to send it back express so that I didn’t go to jail.

Meanwhile someone down my street is wanted for questioning for agg-bergs but they are too lazy to come and find him.

[lucille]

The whole ASIC rubbish is the reason I’ve given up private flying. I get that it’s essential at International airports and possibly a couple of the busier domestic RPT airport. But Birdsville? FFS.

Last year, I was asked to present my ASIC at Roma - I was the only movement in about 2 hours and had 5 friends, none of whom even looked like they had ever worn a burka… double FFS.

I now consider myself blessed to have spent the last 30+ years of my career outside Oz and especially not flying VH reg. aircraft. Nowhere else is there such surly, heavy handed and inane bureaucracy. No doubt they sleep well at night with their delusions of preventing a couple Jihadis in a PA-28 from taking control of Boulia airport.

[runway16]

I collected my new ASIC in February, a month after I could have. I was interstate at the time. At XXX airport I had to show my then ASIC (expired) to the so called security guy. He noted it had expired. I said the new one was ready to pick up. So he rang the good bergs at Merimbula and got a confirmation that I was ridge didge. Then I got to get to airside and my aircraft.

OK. So I duly picked up my ASIC and as required I gave in my old card.
About four months later I get a letter in the mail. It was threatening me with severe consequences if I did not immediately had back the old ASIC card. Jail and big dollar fine.
I sent back an email, 'Good luck'. Never heard another word.
Perhaps they had caught up with the paperwork by then.

Next time I have to do an old for new ASIC card I will take a pic of the ASIC bod with my phone to ensure that they do not run a repeat.

[megan]

Nowhere else is there such surly, heavy handed and inane bureaucracy

Was most surprised at LAX to arrive on a domestic and had a need to get to the international. Lounge to get the bus was open to the ramp and no one in attendance, person could have created mayhem.

[galdian]

Appears as an improvement (?) to the procedure - for renewal anyway - you do application/documents on line, checks carried out and meeting with agent to confirm original documents (these two actions timing appears variable, maybe simultaneously) then the new card is posted out.

Did the application 5 days ago and authorised them to proceed with the checking, waiting to hear if any paperwork hassles and a time for the document meeting.

As I live in regional Vic but nominated Essendon as meeting point that may hold things up another couple of weeks.

[extralite]

ASIC. Luxury! I still think Gold Coast airport must take the global prize for most bureaucratic place in the world to fly GA. Being from the border zone, at the moment i need to be able to present:

1. ASIC Card. Every 2 years.
2. AUA License to drive airside. Apply every 2 years.
3. ADA license...license for the vehicle to operate airside which is limited to just the GA hangars adjacent to a boundary gate. Apply every 2 years,
4. Vaccination certificate.
5. Entry pass into QLD.
6. License.
7.Rego.

The last 2 items nobody seems to worry about The other day when I pulled my aircraft from the hangar to give it a wash, the Federal Police showed up (no issue), the QLD state police showed up..no issue as not going anywhere, and the airport security people showed up to check items 2 and 3 above. Although polite, it felt that any of these people were looking for an excuse to ping me for something. All i needed was CASA there too and i could have had the regulatory jackpot. It is an insane place to operate from.

[Xeptu]

I was hoping this thread would find me a reason to ditch these stupid ASIC's I don't get into the Capital City Airports much these days and I can't remember the last time I had to show someone my card, but it's always seemed to be a better option to just have one. I do find them to be an expense we don't need to have. For other than Airline associated personnel in and through the terminals, I can't see why they can't be a one-off issue.

[Pinky the pilot]

Although polite, it felt that any of these people were looking for an excuse to ping me for something.

I would submit that no, that is not the case, but that they were merely hassling you so that it would appear (to the ignorant, ie the General Public) that they were actually doing something, but in reality only to justify their existance!

[cattletruck]

I recall from over a decade ago that the biggest cost in issuing an ASIC was with its printing. Is this still the case today? Technology has moved on in leaps and bounds in the id-card printing business which should reduce this cost to just a few cents per ASIC. If the printing cost is still the predominant cost with issuing an ASIC after more than a decade then this has to be some kind of rort funding someone else's lavish lifestyle.

Perhaps we can have a royal commission into the cost of issuing an ASIC.

[lucille]

I’ll bet you could get ASICS replicated in China for less than $5. The obese, jackbooted gronks who actually peruse and finger your card couldn’t tell the difference ….. assuming that they can even read and write.

[megan]

Looking for a good home

[Traffic_Is_Er_Was]

I can't see why they can't be a one-off issue

I get you mean for other than regular users, but in general: I asked an OTS guy once why they had to be renewed every two years, or even if they were, why I had to continually submit the same ID documents over and over again. He said it's because people's circumstances change. It's all about maintaining a verifiable trail of "who you are or purport yourself to be in the community". They essentially treat every application as a new application. The other reason is that it is "owners onus" to report things to OTS that may render you no longer suitable to hold an ASIC. Since the fact that reporting that may lose you your job, there is an understandable reluctance for most people to report. They reckon every two years is sufficient time to make sure our criminal records haven't changed, and we just forgot to tell them about it. I said it seemed crazy that my current ASIC wasn't good enough to be considered as part of the ID requirements. He just smiled and said that just because you have an ASIC doesn't mean you should still have an ASIC.
It's their empire.

[Xeptu]

I get it in the case of the terminal area and security controlled zones, where the staff turnover is high, it probably should expire. But for a Pilot who will always be a Pilot, what's the point, particularly in a GA zone. Surely there can be a case for a non secured zone one-off issue ID card. I thought that was what the AVID was intended to be, but the requirements are all the same minus a security controlled zone for about $100 less. Pointless then, may as well hold an ASIC.

The really absurd part is what does holding an ASIC really do.

[30/30 Green Light]

Usefulness of an ASIC

Don't know about now, but it used to get a you a discount on booze at the Duty Free!

[Checkboard]

I used to use it for free entry into nightclubs.