IFR being held at 8,500 feet in VMC – less safety
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Also, for the vast majority of the US, Class E airspace begins at 700 or 1200 ft AGL. there are areas in the Rocky Mountain Reigon and in Alaska, where Class G airspace exists above those altitudes, but that's more the exception.
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If they don’t issue a clearence, you are free to depart VFR, but it is incumbent on you to maintain VFR cloud clearances until such time that you can get an IFR clearance.
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In the absence of me taking the time to type a description of how I identify the location of the other traffic and arrange to not hit it, which is not relevant to the point I was making, I suppose that one approach might be to assume without evidence that I wouldn't take any precautions. I'm not sure why one might choose that approach though, given that it reflects somewhat poorly on the person making unwarranted assumptions and groundless accusations. KWIM?
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Rather than debating the current airspace structure, why not debate the new structure from May 2019? I'm too new to post a link but search for Airservices airspace modernisation.
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Are there that many VFR pilots needing to access between FL180 and FL245 that that becomes a selling point?
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At the present time in Australia pilots on an IFR flight plan cannot enter Class E without a clearance - even in VMC.
In the USA, most pilots on an IFR flight plan take off and climb through E without a clearance to 17,500 feet when VMC exists, which means they are not holding at low levels where traffic density is greater.
In the USA, most pilots on an IFR flight plan take off and climb through E without a clearance to 17,500 feet when VMC exists, which means they are not holding at low levels where traffic density is greater.
Just a point of order. I would say most IFR flights in the US pick up their clearance on the ground. If they are departing from one of the 500+ airports with a control tower they'll get the clearance from ground control or clearance delivery. If they are departing from an uncontrolled airport there are ways to get the clearance over the phone or through a remote communications outlet. If they do depart VFR they'll contact ATC shortly after leaving the traffic pattern Certainly well before 17 thousand.
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Naturally, however Airservices regard it as particularly important in the J curve. Is it? Are there so many VFR batting against the FL180 ceiling that they are blocking the sun?
One proposed change under this program is to standardise the application and management of Class A and E airspace, which will allow Visual Flight Rules (VFR) aircraft to utilise more airspace previously not available to them. This is particularly important for the east coast of Australia between Brisbane and Adelaide (widely known as the “J curve”).
