[AUS] Night Rating
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[AUS] Night Rating
Hey guys, heading up to Darwin next week to find that elusive first job. I did my MECIR in March so as you can see I've burned through half of it saving for the move.
So I guess the question is do I spend an estimated 2-3k+ on a night raiting or do I try and find a job with less than 6 month till and IPC and hopefully make the company pay.
Mind you the last time I flew was March (either paying 300+ an hour for private hire or saving for the trip) so a night raiting might provide good top end experience.
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So I guess the question is do I spend an estimated 2-3k+ on a night raiting or do I try and find a job with less than 6 month till and IPC and hopefully make the company pay.
Mind you the last time I flew was March (either paying 300+ an hour for private hire or saving for the trip) so a night raiting might provide good top end experience.
Thanks
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I guess what I want to know is that will they even consider me with less than 6 months left till and IPC. I know my first job won't be IFR but from what I've been told that the ability to use NVFR in it is more important at this stage, Hence why I'm considering doing a stand alone night rating.
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Sierra117, why would a NVFR rating cost you $5K+..? Seems a lot considering you only just did a MECIR. Also, have to agree with gileraguy regarding your spelling. You need to make sure your spelling and grammar is spot on in a job application. It may not seem like a big deal to some, but most employers I know wouldn't even give you a chance for an interview based on a mistake riddled application. You say you haven't flown at all since March..? You may be better off spending a bit to keep yourself current before you go up there. Can't say I'd like to tackle a check flight having not flown for more than 6 months! Where are you currently based..?
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Sierra117, why would a NVFR rating cost you $5K+..? Seems a lot considering you only just did a MECIR. Also, have to agree with gileraguy regarding your spelling. You need to make sure your spelling and grammar is spot on in a job application. It may not seem like a big deal to some, but most employers I know wouldn't even give you a chance for an interview based on a mistake riddled application. You say you haven't flown at all since March..? You may be better off spending a bit to keep yourself current before you go up there. Can't say I'd like to tackle a check flight having not flown for more than 6 months! Where are you currently based..?
It's used to be that holding a CIFR was sufficient to qualify you for a NVFR - might be worth checking that with whoever did your test.
Duh - I was thinking of a PIFR. NVFR rating was always separate.
But thinking of PIFR, would be worth getting one, if it's just a paperwork application - much easier to keep (legally) current and useful for getting company aircraft back after dark (as private, non-commercial flight). Just take care, plenty of PIFR people have low levels of currency and experience.
Duh - I was thinking of a PIFR. NVFR rating was always separate.
But thinking of PIFR, would be worth getting one, if it's just a paperwork application - much easier to keep (legally) current and useful for getting company aircraft back after dark (as private, non-commercial flight). Just take care, plenty of PIFR people have low levels of currency and experience.
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it is but the thing is that the night rating only lasts for as long as you've got a valid CIFR which is 1 year and I've burned through over 6 months of that. It's either do an IPC in 5 months or do a NVFR and then I've got 2 years on that.
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I was probably way off the mark with price as I was thinking about a zero to hero NVFR. If it's still around 2-3k or something like that that's still money I really don't want to spend if I can help it.
It's used to be that holding a CIFR was sufficient to qualify you for a NVFR
made a point to include them. Which is what some people did back in the day....
I did see a website today advertising NVFR for just over $5K. That was all the flying, some SIMs, briefings and Test.
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Additionally, as part 61 specifies, you can use the night circuits from your instrument rating for the issue of your NVFR, however, you cannot use IFR cross country flights for your NVFR, as the 5 hours cross country has to be done VFR.
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...and you can only use the NVFR privileges of your instrument rating if the rating is kept current (i.e. single pilot flight of 1 hour in the last six months with an instrument approach; 3 instrument approaches in the last 90 days; IPC every 12 months). Just because your IPC is valid, doesn't mean you can use the NVFR privileges of it!
Additionally, as part 61 specifies, you can use the night circuits from your instrument rating for the issue of your NVFR, however, you cannot use IFR cross country flights for your NVFR, as the 5 hours cross country has to be done VFR.
Additionally, as part 61 specifies, you can use the night circuits from your instrument rating for the issue of your NVFR, however, you cannot use IFR cross country flights for your NVFR, as the 5 hours cross country has to be done VFR.
>(2) The holder is authorised to pilot an aircraft under the IFR only if the holder has
conducted at least 3 instrument approach operations within the previous 90 days
in an aircraft or an approved flight simulation training device for the purpose.
You should find that it says "Under the IFR..." for all the general recency in .870
Since we're not under the IFR we can conduct NVFR but feel free to correct me.
This thread highlights the problems with our regs - “qualified, educated” contributors and yet everyone only has a rough idea what the actual requirements are. There is a mishmash of “what the rules used to be” and “what I think the rules say now”. I don’t blame the contributors (who are just trying to help!) - I blame the system.
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This thread highlights the problems with our regs - “qualified, educated” contributors and yet everyone only has a rough idea what the actual requirements are. There is a mishmash of “what the rules used to be” and “what I think the rules say now”. I don’t blame the contributors (who are just trying to help!) - I blame the system.
Just get on the road and start knocking on doors. Until you do that, it won't make an iota of difference either way. Save the worrying about all this stuff until it actually becomes an issue in six months time when your IPC gets close to expiring. The operators you approach will soon tell you if it's an issue, so why overthink it? Just do the trip, knock on lots of doors and have fun.
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