Stolen plane used as justification for pointless tasks rants
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Stolen plane used as justification for pointless tasks rants
So was in collecting my "Authority to Drive Air side" sticker so that i could drive the 50m from the airport gate to my hangar. After doing the online theory and then practical tests AGAIN, (renewal), proof of insurance with specific clause for air side access of an airport (like thats always included in insurance policies) , proof that i had a pilots license even though it was for a friggin plane in a hangar..other things too. (A simple Stat Dec saying i wouldn't stray outside hangar yellow lines is far too simple? If i do that is an offence anyway as no legitimate reason to be in a secure zone)...
Anyway, made a quip about the ridiculousness of having to show an original birth certificate every 2 years now along with passport, license, utilities, to get the ASIC card. Lovely lady replied "Well didnt you see the news on the weekend?"..referring to the stolen plane. Then proceeded to tell me how the process will be even "stricter" from October.
Surely, surely even a monkey or worse, a Canberra bureaucrat can see that the stolen plane is a reason why an ASIC is pointless. The guy went through all their relevant hoops and stole the plane. If it were in Australia, he would have had an ASIC. Yet, somehow this sort of incident is pointed to as to justification for why we needed to make it more of a pain in the ass for pilots to get to their friggin planes and for people generally to conduct aviation. How the hell is the dickaround factor of finding an original of birth certificate every 2 years going to help stop that incident, or a terrorist plot? The biggest threat to aviation i think is from someone going postal over the tedious bureaucracy of trying to do anything aviation related in Australia and shooting up the joint. I despair. Can someone please apply some common fkn sense to aviation in this country.
That feels a tiny bit better.
Anyway, made a quip about the ridiculousness of having to show an original birth certificate every 2 years now along with passport, license, utilities, to get the ASIC card. Lovely lady replied "Well didnt you see the news on the weekend?"..referring to the stolen plane. Then proceeded to tell me how the process will be even "stricter" from October.
Surely, surely even a monkey or worse, a Canberra bureaucrat can see that the stolen plane is a reason why an ASIC is pointless. The guy went through all their relevant hoops and stole the plane. If it were in Australia, he would have had an ASIC. Yet, somehow this sort of incident is pointed to as to justification for why we needed to make it more of a pain in the ass for pilots to get to their friggin planes and for people generally to conduct aviation. How the hell is the dickaround factor of finding an original of birth certificate every 2 years going to help stop that incident, or a terrorist plot? The biggest threat to aviation i think is from someone going postal over the tedious bureaucracy of trying to do anything aviation related in Australia and shooting up the joint. I despair. Can someone please apply some common fkn sense to aviation in this country.
That feels a tiny bit better.
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I feel your pain extralite. Currently going through the process of renewing my ASIC. Again. Absolutely same documents I used 2 years ago. Only difference was a more recent photo I was required to go and get as they can't be older than 6 months. Even though my passport and drivers licence can be used as proof of ID but might be nearly 10 years old. But what I find the most baffling of all, is that in order of importance of identity documents, your existing ASIC ranks a lowly category C on the same level as medicare card..! So in order of importance, it goes full birth certificate, then either drivers licence or passport, then existing ASIC. I mean WTF..? So after going though the exhausting process of identity checking, police checks, security agency checks to ensure you pose no risk to anyone and then issuing a nice shiny ASIC card to verify it, when it comes to renewing it only 2 years later, it only carries the same weight as a medicare card..? Don't even get me started on the $256.50 fee plus the cost of photos, plus postage, plus time to go in person to get 'sighted' by an agent now. And for what..? To be 'seen' to be doing something about security..? Make them valid for 10 years like a passport and stop this blatant money spinning RIPOFF..!
That doesn't feel a tiny bit better. That's just made me more p'd off. I'm going to have drink and a lie down.
That doesn't feel a tiny bit better. That's just made me more p'd off. I'm going to have drink and a lie down.
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So in order of importance, it goes full birth certificate, then either drivers licence or passport, then existing ASIC. I mean WTF..? So after going though the exhausting process of identity checking, police checks, security agency checks to ensure you pose no risk to anyone and then issuing a nice shiny ASIC card to verify it, when it comes to renewing it only 2 years later, it only carries the same weight as a medicare card..? Don't even get me started on the $256.50 fee plus the cost of photos, plus postage, plus time to go in person to get 'sighted' by an agent now. And for what..? To be 'seen' to be doing something about security..?
After 48 years in the industry, time to give it away I reckon and concentrate on something more enjoyable.
Hi Ya 'SIUYA' et al,
I have found 'fishin' so much MORE 'relaxin' and 'satisfyin'....and NO criminal penalty points..!!!!
Time to try it …???
Cheeerrrsss……
p.s. Still have 'an interest' though....Damn !!
(p.p.s….. Tx again Dick...…………)
I have found 'fishin' so much MORE 'relaxin' and 'satisfyin'....and NO criminal penalty points..!!!!
Time to try it …???
Cheeerrrsss……
p.s. Still have 'an interest' though....Damn !!
(p.p.s….. Tx again Dick...…………)
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Between CASA publishing your personal information on the internet and Aviation ID failing to secure the rest of your info supplied in order to meet strict security clearance requirements you probably don’t even exist anymore.
I think everyone involved in aviation should be ‘shadowed’ by someone from a security service.
Pilots, engineers, cabin staff, ground handlers - all under constant surveillance by someone from a security service. You cannot put a price on aviation security. (Let’s not speculate on what we should do about the aviation security service personnel - we’ll just assume that the clearance process places them unquestionably above suspicion.)
After all: If we change the way we live our lives to deal with the terrorist risk, the terrorists have won!
Pilots, engineers, cabin staff, ground handlers - all under constant surveillance by someone from a security service. You cannot put a price on aviation security. (Let’s not speculate on what we should do about the aviation security service personnel - we’ll just assume that the clearance process places them unquestionably above suspicion.)
After all: If we change the way we live our lives to deal with the terrorist risk, the terrorists have won!
Between CASA publishing your personal information on the internet and Aviation ID failing to secure the rest of your info supplied in order to meet strict security clearance requirements you probably don’t even exist anymore.
Pilots, engineers, cabin staff, ground handlers - all under constant surveillance by someone from a security service. You cannot put a price on aviation security.
I might start a security service in order to keep us all safe. All security staff will be working split shifts on minimum wage and will be required to provide their own jerkin.....I think I’ll give them Tassers in case anyone tries to operate an aircraft.
They will all need training so maybe you could offer two week courses for say.....3 grand?
I love the way Aviation is so good for the economy.
I feel your pain extralite. Currently going through the process of renewing my ASIC. Again. Absolutely same documents I used 2 years ago. Only difference was a more recent photo I was required to go and get as they can't be older than 6 months. Even though my passport and drivers licence can be used as proof of ID but might be nearly 10 years old. But what I find the most baffling of all, is that in order of importance of identity documents, your existing ASIC ranks a lowly category C on the same level as medicare card..! So in order of importance, it goes full birth certificate, then either drivers licence or passport, then existing ASIC. I mean WTF..? So after going though the exhausting process of identity checking, police checks, security agency checks to ensure you pose no risk to anyone and then issuing a nice shiny ASIC card to verify it, when it comes to renewing it only 2 years later, it only carries the same weight as a medicare card..? Don't even get me started on the $256.50 fee plus the cost of photos, plus postage, plus time to go in person to get 'sighted' by an agent now. And for what..? To be 'seen' to be doing something about security..? Make them valid for 10 years like a passport and stop this blatant money spinning RIPOFF..!
That doesn't feel a tiny bit better. That's just made me more p'd off. I'm going to have drink and a lie down.
That doesn't feel a tiny bit better. That's just made me more p'd off. I'm going to have drink and a lie down.
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Whatever do you mean roundsounds..?! Nothing wrong with a glass of warm milk and a lie down is there..? 
Stress & fatigue management at it's finest..! 
(Oh and just for the record I'm not stressed or fatigued!)
Stress & fatigue management at it's finest..! (Oh and just for the record I'm not stressed or fatigued!)
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So why isn’t there a protest being organized where every pilot with a plane all flying into Canberra at exactly the same time, from different levels and directions at exactly the same time the PM’s jet is wanting to fly out, and congesting the airspace and airport and basically shutting it down? And no one bring an ASIC, requiring security escorts for everyone. Government don’t care that their security theater f@cks you about for no reason, but a coordinated protest might help to make it their problem.
But naturally they should all be treated as potential World Trade Centre destroyers. You can’t put a price on safety and security.
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Again, an experienced pilot so in Australia he would have had an ASIC and no original of his birth certificate and new photo every 2 years would have stopped it. Wonder what the "even stricter" refers to. Will they be requiring parents birth certificates now as well? A multichoice exam on mental health" (Do you intend to crash a plane in the next 12 months. Yes/No. If answered No proceed to end of exam.) Maybe we have to make appointments to proceed to our aircraft so that w can be escorted by airport security....and then of course launch and do whatever we want. The strange thing is people i have met from CASA seemed to be mostly normal, thinking human beings, how can they come up with such illogical solutions to a problem?
CASA is not to blame for the security bull****.
Precisely the reason she is earning minimum wage working behind the counter at the security desk
the process will be even "stricter" from October.
Any ramping up of ID provisions in October will have had nothing to do with this incident. They would have been planned long ago.
