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Old 14th Aug 2018, 22:47
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There has been a downturn in whinging from the Aviation community. That has to be addressed.
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 02:10
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There has been a downturn in whinging from the Aviation community. That has to be addressed.
And the beatings will continue until morale improves.
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 05:00
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i suspect that new provisions will prohibit "loitering" by anyone escorted or not. So much for hangar visits and social chit chat.
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 08:22
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Originally Posted by Ex FSO GRIFFO View Post
Hi Ya 'SIUYA' et al,

I have found 'fishin' so much MORE 'relaxin' and 'satisfyin'....and NO criminal penalty points..!!!!
Hang on... do you have a recreational fishing licence ?
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 08:31
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I have just been out and about in the USA and any secondary airport like Bankstown, Jandacott etc you dont need anything, yes nothing.

You can even take your car airside to carry fuel cans or load the aircraft !

Australian aviation is just stupidly following along and being put out of business by things like this ASIC crap.

If we could get every professional (read fare carrying pilots, Qantas etc) to down tools for a few days in support of this stupidity then we might get some media attention and see what happens.

You can still drive a fuel tanker without an ASIC equivalent and you can drive that into a kindergarten

We pilots are going through more checks than a pistol or automatic weapons license, how does that make any sense ?

If i wanted to crash a plane it doesnt matter if i have an ASIC or not. I fly downwind over the pollies in Canberra, park my plane where i am meet by someone with an ASIC and walk to the gate, and leave the next day the same way. Flying in and out of our capitol airport without an ASIC then whats the whole point of having this crap.
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 09:35
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Its legitimate frustration at wasting time and money in an activity that has no purpose..not whinging i.m.o

In business, when a problem is identified we have to find a solution to adresss the problem. So assuming the problem they want to address is unauthorized access to an aircraft, making people that have employment on the airfield or private pilots submit pretty much the same documents every 2 years is not adressing the actual issue..Stil needs to be the same people on the airfield...original birth certificate found or not.

Surely, if they feel that unauthorized access to aircraft is the problem, make the aircraft more secure, not more background checks for everyone that need to be there anyway.. That wont stop rogue pilots of course, or passengers, or someone jumping the fence, but what will? Certainly not the mess that is Asic. What historic incident is the asic actually aimed at solving.

If doing pointless things is part of someones daily life then i suppose you sort of become immune to it. But irks the crap out of me seeing so much time wasted. Just make the thing similar to a passport we wear on a lanyard. Job done.
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 09:55
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
i suspect that new provisions will prohibit "loitering" by anyone escorted or not. So much for hangar visits and social chit chat.
Sunfish,
And committing such offenses as: Loitering with intent to enjoy aviation.
Tootle pip!!
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Old 16th Aug 2018, 07:50
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Australian aviation is just stupidly following along and being put out of business by things like this ASIC crap.

If we could get every professional (read fare carrying pilots, Qantas etc) to down tools for a few days in support of this stupidity then we might get some media attention and see what happens.
What the USA has, but I don't believe Australia has, is the Air National Guard equipped with F16s and the will and the authority to shoot down any aircraft that, when airborne, doesn't behave and could be a threat to others.
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Old 16th Aug 2018, 09:55
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It's not just pilots. The ASIC process is the same for anyone who has to have one. In one way that's good. It would be very easy for a pollie to put 2 and 2 together and realise that a pilot has the ultimate weapon in his hands (as is regularly trotted out here) and thus make his/her ASIC requirements far more onerous than the guy who just comes in to fix the runway paint machine. Because then it would look like they are really doing something.
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Old 16th Aug 2018, 11:19
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In business, when a problem is identified we have to find a solution to address the problem [typos corrected].
PRECISELY.

The process is generally referred to as ‘continuous improvement.'


Unfortunately though that concept is now so far-removed from the reality of day-to-day public service and government administration in Australia, and that as a glaringly obvious missing ‘control’. In fact IMHO, it’s now probably the biggest impediment/failure in our so-called democratic process(es) where cost of government (refer ASIC renewal costs as an example) is directly proportional to the embuggerance factor of complying with government requirements, and Australia is being slowly strangled by the idiocy of government red tape and total bureaucratic inefficiency such as the ASIC renewal nonsense.

LB said: CASA is not to blame for the security bullshit.

And thank fcuk that CASA DIDN’T have a hand in the security bullshit either LB, because had it done so, and the CASA lunatics running the asylum were let loose in this arena, then it would undoubtedly have been a far bigger nightmare than it already is.
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Old 16th Aug 2018, 13:08
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If doing pointless things is part of someones daily life then i suppose you sort of become immune to it.
The process is generally referred to as ‘continuous improvement.'

Unfortunately though that concept is now so far-removed from the reality of day-to-day public service and government administration in Australia, and that as a glaringly obvious missing ‘control’.
Continuous improvement means imposing ever-more-stringent requirements, complexity and cost on the law-abiding. The law abiding become ‘immune to it’ because they have no choice if they wish to make a living out of flying or presume to fly for fun.

But we can’t let terrorism change the way we go about our daily lives - otherwise the terrorists have won.
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Old 19th Aug 2018, 02:13
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The constant 'evolution' of hurdles for security authorisations is due to the opportunities to do so created by the constant evolution of technology, and also the need for output by the hordes of intel analysts and planners whose role it is to design the legal and physical protection of aviation assets.
All it does is produce a finer and finer mesh in the filter, but unfortunately ignores the possibilities of going around the filter entirely. ASIC card vetting clears people who intend to carry out normal regular work within an airport, but it does nothing to screen the people with sinister intent who are fully aware of and plan to make use of the lack of physical security at most airports, which is where the money actually needs to be spent.

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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 13:12
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But ASIC cards do have a good use....

Jam it in the gate to stop the latch engaging so you can get back on airside again...
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 23:42
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[QUOTE=Jam it in the gate to stop the latch engaging so you can get back on airside again...[/QUOTE]
Great, now you've pointed that out and were all gonna have to carry around 3" thick ASIC cards to prevent someone doing that...
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