Can an American get a job in Australia?
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Can an American get a job in Australia?
US regional airline Capitain here. Looking to make a permanent move from the dysfunctional ****show that is the US in the Trump era. Seems the pilot shortage has hit Australia and I was wondering what my prospects might be over there. Would it make sense to convert my certificate to CASA? Would love to get down there if I could make it work, any advice greatly appreciated!
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If you loved the USA under Bush/Clinton/Obama you will like it in Australia , the country is being run in to the ground equally as well .
Without a CASA licence , you won’t get no job
Without a CASA licence , you won’t get no job
I’d probably take a fairly close look at the visa situation first- I believe the current employer sponsored pilot visas are limited term with no prospect of becoming permanent
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Australian Permanent Residence: https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/trav/life/aust-1
Australian Work Visas: https://www.australia.gov.au/informa...sas/work-visas
Convert FAA ATPL to Australian ATPL: https://www.casa.gov.au/standard-pag...rseas-licences
Overseas License Conversion Exams: https://www.casa.gov.au/standard-pag...n-examinations
That should keep you occupied and frustrated for the next couple of decades.
There is other ways in - marry an Australian, pose as a refugee from any Middle East country, or join the US Marines that are currently occupying our country based in Darwin.
Australian Work Visas: https://www.australia.gov.au/informa...sas/work-visas
Convert FAA ATPL to Australian ATPL: https://www.casa.gov.au/standard-pag...rseas-licences
Overseas License Conversion Exams: https://www.casa.gov.au/standard-pag...n-examinations
That should keep you occupied and frustrated for the next couple of decades.
There is other ways in - marry an Australian, pose as a refugee from any Middle East country, or join the US Marines that are currently occupying our country based in Darwin.
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There are a few posts on this. For example: Moving to Australia and finding flying work
Australian Permanent Residence: https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/trav/life/aust-1
Australian Work Visas: https://www.australia.gov.au/informa...sas/work-visas
Convert FAA ATPL to Australian ATPL: https://www.casa.gov.au/standard-pag...rseas-licences
Overseas License Conversion Exams: https://www.casa.gov.au/standard-pag...n-examinations
That should keep you occupied and frustrated for the next couple of decades.
There is other ways in - marry an Australian, pose as a refugee from any Middle East country, or join the US Marines that are currently occupying our country based in Darwin.
Australian Work Visas: https://www.australia.gov.au/informa...sas/work-visas
Convert FAA ATPL to Australian ATPL: https://www.casa.gov.au/standard-pag...rseas-licences
Overseas License Conversion Exams: https://www.casa.gov.au/standard-pag...n-examinations
That should keep you occupied and frustrated for the next couple of decades.
There is other ways in - marry an Australian, pose as a refugee from any Middle East country, or join the US Marines that are currently occupying our country based in Darwin.
There are 4 categories of evidence that determine if a visa can be granted marriage is not one.
Being married waivers the 12 month length of relationship requirement (as does relationship registration) but all the 4 category evidence is still required.
* As refugee - coming via boat is out, getting a visa to fly in is a tad difficult and swimming is a tad far for most.
* The US marines have work restrictions on their visas, don't think they can work for more than one employer.
Northern Territory has Aeroplane Pilot on it's skilled occupation list so you could convert to a CASA ATPL and get a letter of assessment from them, apply to the NT for state nomination for a visa and then apply for a 190 (permanent) or 489 (provisional) visa through the skillselect program. If you are subsequently granted a visa you can then apply for a job with an Australian carrier. All the information you need on the visa nomination process is available on the NT visa website and information on skillselect can be found on the DIBP site.
A word of warning!
The DIBP is now the DoHA and the website is not accurate and should be taken with a grain of salt. Many people think that if they phone or email the immigration department the answers they get will be correct.
Strangely the staff are not qualified to answer your questions, nor are they accountable for the often fatal information they give regarding applications.
Your applications are processed by Case Officers and they use "the regulations" and PAM 3 guidelines in processing applications. The Regs are online but PAM 3 is a bit harder to access - a subscription is available for around $700 per year.
To get accurate advice on visas you need to contact a Registered Migration Agent (preferably Australian based), not all of these are created equal - so do your research.
The DIBP is now the DoHA and the website is not accurate and should be taken with a grain of salt. Many people think that if they phone or email the immigration department the answers they get will be correct.
Strangely the staff are not qualified to answer your questions, nor are they accountable for the often fatal information they give regarding applications.
Your applications are processed by Case Officers and they use "the regulations" and PAM 3 guidelines in processing applications. The Regs are online but PAM 3 is a bit harder to access - a subscription is available for around $700 per year.
To get accurate advice on visas you need to contact a Registered Migration Agent (preferably Australian based), not all of these are created equal - so do your research.
* Just to be clear marriage to an Australian plays no part in getting in getting a visa - ZERO nothing.
There are 4 categories of evidence that determine if a visa can be granted marriage is not one.
Being married waivers the 12 month length of relationship requirement (as does relationship registration) but all the 4 category evidence is still required.
There are 4 categories of evidence that determine if a visa can be granted marriage is not one.
Being married waivers the 12 month length of relationship requirement (as does relationship registration) but all the 4 category evidence is still required.
Taxes are punitive as Australia is one of the most over governed nations on the planet, three levels of government for just over 24 million people. A relatively small number of taxpayers support these governments, in addition to legitimate requirements but also an army of multi-generational welfare recipients and illegal immigrants. This should be taken into account when you look at salaries on offer. There is also a GST (Goods and Services Tax), 10% on almost everything you purchase.
There is no pilot shortage in Australia, just a shortage of experienced pilots willing to work for the abysmal conditions on offer outside what you would call the 'majors', which have more than enough suitable aspirants. The country has a fraction of the population of the US, and a corresponding tiny airliner count. Ironically, there is a thread elsewhere on this forum about how Australians can get sponsored to fly in the States; maybe you could organise a swap with one!
There are some attractive and relatively cheap towns which could suit if you flew for one of the regional operators, but you would have to be easily amused and like the quiet life! Good luck.
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Depending on what you want to fly, enough N registered Corporate Jets.
You can start the process of getting an Australian licence in the US, start with applying for an Aviation Reference Number (this will be your licence number), then do the medical and apply for a student pilots licence.
The conversion process is not that hard, just need to go somewhere that has done many before.
You can start the process of getting an Australian licence in the US, start with applying for an Aviation Reference Number (this will be your licence number), then do the medical and apply for a student pilots licence.
The conversion process is not that hard, just need to go somewhere that has done many before.
There are many Partner Visa applications refused each year many of them married, the same visa/s (309 or 820) are used for de facto couples as well. Many of the applicants should have applied for the Prospective Marriage Visa (PMV 300) as they simply did not have the evidence for a Partner Visa, but they got married and that shut the door on the PMV option.
Basically you should have lived in some form of combined household for a minimum of 12 months for a de facto relationship, or 6 months if married or have registered the relationship.
If not it leads to a $7,000 donation and the end of some relationships.
In the visa process the only thing marriage does is waive the minimum 12 month relationship requirement - but none of the evidence required to prove the relationship is genuine and ongoing.
"A partner visa gives you working rights."
There are 2 Partner Visas an onshore and an offshore, currently the processing time for the onshore is around 22 months (from memory), the offshore from the USA processing time is faster at around 14 months. Both of these visas when granted have full work rights.
If you lodge a onshore application you are granted a bridging visa and that also has full work rights when the current visa expires - there is no bridging visa for offshore applications.
To lodge a onshore Partner Visa application you need a visa that allows that, from the USA it is best to get an ETA (Electronic Travel Authority). This visa does not have the 8503 "No Further Stay" condition attached and has 3 month stay periods and valid for 1 year, but No Work condition.
There is a question when applying for this visa about marital status.
During one of the 3 month stay periods an onshore application needs to be made, after this you don't exit Australia the ETA then expires and your Bridging Visa A with full work rights kicks in but no travel rights ( So for a minimum of 3 months you can not work).
Many employers don't understand the system and don't employ people on a Bridging Visas, even when the onshore 820 visa is granted it is only a temporary visa and also not liked. The second stage of the onshore application is commenced 2 years after the first stage is submitted. The Processing for this is also long between 18 months and 2 years.
So the reality is it is not a great avenue to try get work rights in Australia and unlikely to succeed with a non genuine relationship.
There are 2 Partner Visas an onshore and an offshore, currently the processing time for the onshore is around 22 months (from memory), the offshore from the USA processing time is faster at around 14 months. Both of these visas when granted have full work rights.
If you lodge a onshore application you are granted a bridging visa and that also has full work rights when the current visa expires - there is no bridging visa for offshore applications.
To lodge a onshore Partner Visa application you need a visa that allows that, from the USA it is best to get an ETA (Electronic Travel Authority). This visa does not have the 8503 "No Further Stay" condition attached and has 3 month stay periods and valid for 1 year, but No Work condition.
There is a question when applying for this visa about marital status.
During one of the 3 month stay periods an onshore application needs to be made, after this you don't exit Australia the ETA then expires and your Bridging Visa A with full work rights kicks in but no travel rights ( So for a minimum of 3 months you can not work).
Many employers don't understand the system and don't employ people on a Bridging Visas, even when the onshore 820 visa is granted it is only a temporary visa and also not liked. The second stage of the onshore application is commenced 2 years after the first stage is submitted. The Processing for this is also long between 18 months and 2 years.
So the reality is it is not a great avenue to try get work rights in Australia and unlikely to succeed with a non genuine relationship.
Sorry, I wasn't suggesting a non-genuine relationship was viable, I read your initial post as suggesting that being in a (genuine) relationship was of no value in getting a visa.
No worries mate, but speaking from experience Partner Visas are often a very rough and expensive road. The GP are not really aware of the process and many just march of a cliff they did not know was there during the application.
I have spent years on a migration forum trying to stop the $7,000 donations and heard some pretty sad stories in the process.
I have spent years on a migration forum trying to stop the $7,000 donations and heard some pretty sad stories in the process.
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Good morning Mr Clunk. First the good news 
Try New Zealand. Air NZ looking for pilots across the jet and regional turbo prop fleets. Have even been advertising in Oz for F/Os in the
regional fleets. Also Jetstar looking for pilots on their A320 and Dash8-300 operations. Seniority lists in operation here, so you will have to join as an FO, or Second officer in the Air NZ Jet fleet.There are direct entry FO positions going on on to the A320 fleet at the moment depending on manpower requirements. As far as
progression goes to command in the Air NZ regionals, I think the record so far is 18 months. Jet fleet a bit longer, although with what is going on at the moment, people with 6-7 yrs in the jet fleet are getting A320 commands. The Air NZ regional operations have bases in various provincial cities around NZ. Air NZ based in Auckland, with domiciles in Wellington and Christchurch.You could also try Qantas( Jet Connect) and Virgin, they too are looking for crew in their NZ operations.
The bad news(sort of), is the immigration process. I have no knowledge of it so you will have to make your own enquiries there. I would suggest you contact Air NZ in the first instance, as to what might be required, as we do have a number of overseas nationalities working for us. In regards of licences, contact NZ CAA, regarding FAA conversion to NZ ICAO licences.From memory, the licence held and your aviation experience may dictate what exams and re-qualifications required to convert to NZ ICAO licence. Most operators prefer ATPL,or CPL with ATPL exam credits.
Hope this helps. There is plenty going on in the South Pacific and Asia at the moment aviation wise, so if you are experienced and looking at alternate options, you will probably find what you need down this way .
Good luck.
Try New Zealand. Air NZ looking for pilots across the jet and regional turbo prop fleets. Have even been advertising in Oz for F/Os in theregional fleets. Also Jetstar looking for pilots on their A320 and Dash8-300 operations. Seniority lists in operation here, so you will have to join as an FO, or Second officer in the Air NZ Jet fleet.There are direct entry FO positions going on on to the A320 fleet at the moment depending on manpower requirements. As far as
progression goes to command in the Air NZ regionals, I think the record so far is 18 months. Jet fleet a bit longer, although with what is going on at the moment, people with 6-7 yrs in the jet fleet are getting A320 commands. The Air NZ regional operations have bases in various provincial cities around NZ. Air NZ based in Auckland, with domiciles in Wellington and Christchurch.You could also try Qantas( Jet Connect) and Virgin, they too are looking for crew in their NZ operations.
The bad news(sort of), is the immigration process. I have no knowledge of it so you will have to make your own enquiries there. I would suggest you contact Air NZ in the first instance, as to what might be required, as we do have a number of overseas nationalities working for us. In regards of licences, contact NZ CAA, regarding FAA conversion to NZ ICAO licences.From memory, the licence held and your aviation experience may dictate what exams and re-qualifications required to convert to NZ ICAO licence. Most operators prefer ATPL,or CPL with ATPL exam credits.
Hope this helps. There is plenty going on in the South Pacific and Asia at the moment aviation wise, so if you are experienced and looking at alternate options, you will probably find what you need down this way .
Good luck.
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US regional airline Capitain here. Looking to make a permanent move from the dysfunctional ****show that is the US in the Trump era. Seems the pilot shortage has hit Australia and I was wondering what my prospects might be over there. Would it make sense to convert my certificate to CASA? Would love to get down there if I could make it work, any advice greatly appreciated!
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I think your best try will be with Virgin Australia. See below link. They are offering 2 years sponsored VISA arrangement . "VISA extensions and pathways to permanent residency will be assessed in accordance with the relevant regulatory framework".
So if you have ATR PIC then looks like a done deal! All the best and do share how you go!
Job details - ATR Direct Entry Command Opportunities 2018 Virgin Australia
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Thank you, Captain Dart, for your accurate and succinct summing up of the Australian scene. If our Dingdong Clunk is fleeing the USA because of Trump, he may fit right in here but this country doesn't need any more of his ilk.
