Minister calls for ga consensus on change to act
Wren, I couldn't even get a caveat on my building to say it was mine. When my sub-lease expires it will have no value as the chances of the lessees letting me sell the building and assign the lease on the land to someone else, rather than them just grabbing it for themselves without compensation (or making me demolish it at my own cost) are nil. The patch of land will be used for some non aviation activity or other as they have already set the precedent of a fait accompli of changing the land use from "aviation" to "commercial" without any of the consultation process being followed while the aforementioned minister was in charge.
And when it comes to security of tenure, by appearing on the front page of the Sunday Times in hard hats saying they were the "new owners" and were going to close the airport meant that there was a risk for any finance company to lend to a Jandakot business for a long time afterwards, a tactic to make things even harder for the tenants. They tried to force me into signing a five year lease rather than assign me the existing 23 year one. It took a very expensive lawyer to achieve what should have been a straightforward lease assignment.
I could write a book about the "relocation" era and have a great deal of evidence which I would happily produce if there was ever an investigation into how the Airports Act was allowed to benefit developers at the expense of the existing tenants and the industry.
This is the kind of thing that has put GA into a decline.
No point "fixing" CASA if we don't have an affordable infrastructure to operate in.
And when it comes to security of tenure, by appearing on the front page of the Sunday Times in hard hats saying they were the "new owners" and were going to close the airport meant that there was a risk for any finance company to lend to a Jandakot business for a long time afterwards, a tactic to make things even harder for the tenants. They tried to force me into signing a five year lease rather than assign me the existing 23 year one. It took a very expensive lawyer to achieve what should have been a straightforward lease assignment.
I could write a book about the "relocation" era and have a great deal of evidence which I would happily produce if there was ever an investigation into how the Airports Act was allowed to benefit developers at the expense of the existing tenants and the industry.
This is the kind of thing that has put GA into a decline.
No point "fixing" CASA if we don't have an affordable infrastructure to operate in.
Changing the subject now, how can we have "jobs and growth" if some commentators are saying we shouldn't be training overseas pilots here? How do they think many pilots get the hours and qualifications they need? We should be encouraging it, not scaremongering.
What sort of message is that sending to potential investors?
Midnight:
I said the mantra is "jobs, investment and growth".
No potential investor in their right mind will lend to an aviation business when there exists a extra aviation business risk compared to other businesses called "the regulator' who is totally unaccountable, capricious, untrustworthy and vindictive as evidenced by the Forsyth review.
Pointing that out to potential investors is only fair.
Totally agree, and I've said that before about similar "get out of aviation now" comments.
What sort of message is that sending to potential investors?
What sort of message is that sending to potential investors?
No potential investor in their right mind will lend to an aviation business when there exists a extra aviation business risk compared to other businesses called "the regulator' who is totally unaccountable, capricious, untrustworthy and vindictive as evidenced by the Forsyth review.
Pointing that out to potential investors is only fair.
The great frustration is that the new rules actually detract from the efficient training of pilot skills and impose huge additional costs for no actual benefit for the safety of flight. It could easily be argued that the whole system is inimical to safety and should be altered to comply with the Act.
Government treats treats the industry like a bunch of recalcitrant idiot children. Well illustrated by the expression from one CASA personage that the industry was not sufficiently “mature” to be allowed any leeway. This hubristic attitude permeates not just CASA but is the common way of Can’tberra, I’m sorry to say.
These days the Public Service has been replaced by the Public Sector, a transformation which has morphed the “Service” into a competitor against private enterprise. A competitor with a massive advantage, being able to force its power with the whole apparatus of the State. Just look at the CASA fee gouging of the last two or three years, in the unequal competition for aviation dollars they are winning hands down.
This is the stuff that revolutions have been made with, the lessons of history are plain enough.
wren 460,
Actually, the full context of one of your points was even more serious.
A "senior CASA lawyer" made the claim that neither the industry nor CASA was sufficiently mature to handle outcome based regulation (a la EASA, and Australian Commonwealth Government regulation making policy), so aviation has to have detailed prescriptive criminal law based legislation, mostly strict liability, to control safety.
Tootle pip!!
Actually, the full context of one of your points was even more serious.
A "senior CASA lawyer" made the claim that neither the industry nor CASA was sufficiently mature to handle outcome based regulation (a la EASA, and Australian Commonwealth Government regulation making policy), so aviation has to have detailed prescriptive criminal law based legislation, mostly strict liability, to control safety.
Tootle pip!!
The pollies will change the regulations when people can't get their super cheap airfares to places cause airlines can't get people either local or on 457 Visas because the licensing has become too difficult.
It must surely be getting close to the point where it is more viable for a new pilot to go to NZ or the USA and do their training over there and convert it when they get back. If that same pilot is a person with no interest in commercial aviation but owns their own aircraft just keep it on the applicable foreign register, That way you'd only have to comply with Airservices Australia airspace restrictions not CASA regulations.
It must surely be getting close to the point where it is more viable for a new pilot to go to NZ or the USA and do their training over there and convert it when they get back. If that same pilot is a person with no interest in commercial aviation but owns their own aircraft just keep it on the applicable foreign register, That way you'd only have to comply with Airservices Australia airspace restrictions not CASA regulations.
What will cause Parliament to halt the destruction of GA?
We want change, an obvious motivator for MPs is keeping their supporters on side and winning seats with policies that have public appeal.
To this end the recent Dick Smith meeting and the subsequent radio interview with AOPA’s Ben Morgan are the means to attract public notice and then for politicians to provide policies to cater for this consciousness.
AOPA or the new AGAA group could run a candidate to oust Minister McCormack. A campaign office in Wagga would undoubtedly get lots of volunteers. I’ll pledge a week, anyone else?
Minister McCormack will try his best to prevent this from happening, all groups will be invited into his Alladin type cave full of glittering treasures but only for a look while there’s another set of consultations and reviews so that he is satisfied with a concensus as defined by himself. By then the delay will take the problem beyond the next election.
It may be that as Dick Smith postulates it has to get worse yet, and so bad that everyone in Parliament will want to make real changes. I sincerely hope this does not occur because it will cause even more harm to many fellow Aussies.
To this end the recent Dick Smith meeting and the subsequent radio interview with AOPA’s Ben Morgan are the means to attract public notice and then for politicians to provide policies to cater for this consciousness.
AOPA or the new AGAA group could run a candidate to oust Minister McCormack. A campaign office in Wagga would undoubtedly get lots of volunteers. I’ll pledge a week, anyone else?
Minister McCormack will try his best to prevent this from happening, all groups will be invited into his Alladin type cave full of glittering treasures but only for a look while there’s another set of consultations and reviews so that he is satisfied with a concensus as defined by himself. By then the delay will take the problem beyond the next election.
It may be that as Dick Smith postulates it has to get worse yet, and so bad that everyone in Parliament will want to make real changes. I sincerely hope this does not occur because it will cause even more harm to many fellow Aussies.
Steve Hitchen in Australian Flying calls for concensus in his editorial.
With respect Hitch, I’m sure you’ll agree a little sparring does no harm. My reply as follows:-
There’s no logic in calling for a concensus on something which is undefined.
There’s no logic in the Minister inferring that he can’t act in the National interest unless he has a concensus from disparate bodies represented by various individuals.
There’s no logic in putting blame on the General Aviation industry for the shocking loss of GA businesses and jobs, services, asset devaluation and loss of Commonwealth airport utility when clearly its the result of extremely poor policy, government legislated, criminal code unworkable law of strict liability. Thousands of pages of micro management and the new training rules, transition August, which will close even more of the last few GA flying schools. A National disaster is occurring right now and Minister MCCormack is sitting on his hands. The invisible government appointed Board of CASA also.
I defy anyone to point to any country where all the various privately organised GA and airline associations act in concert, in one voice, and give singular advice to the government of that country. Of course not, its totaling illogical.
We elect and pay our Parliamentary representatives to govern for the gtreater good, not to sit back hands off the wheel (the independent regulator) and using every excuse not to act.
The ancient Greeks believed that courage was the highest virtue, too bad its not showing where its seriously needed.
There’s no logic in calling for a concensus on something which is undefined.
There’s no logic in the Minister inferring that he can’t act in the National interest unless he has a concensus from disparate bodies represented by various individuals.
There’s no logic in putting blame on the General Aviation industry for the shocking loss of GA businesses and jobs, services, asset devaluation and loss of Commonwealth airport utility when clearly its the result of extremely poor policy, government legislated, criminal code unworkable law of strict liability. Thousands of pages of micro management and the new training rules, transition August, which will close even more of the last few GA flying schools. A National disaster is occurring right now and Minister MCCormack is sitting on his hands. The invisible government appointed Board of CASA also.
I defy anyone to point to any country where all the various privately organised GA and airline associations act in concert, in one voice, and give singular advice to the government of that country. Of course not, its totaling illogical.
We elect and pay our Parliamentary representatives to govern for the gtreater good, not to sit back hands off the wheel (the independent regulator) and using every excuse not to act.
The ancient Greeks believed that courage was the highest virtue, too bad its not showing where its seriously needed.
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Good sense wren and clare. We cannot have an industry when we, the industry are treated with disrespect and disdain by Minister's and CA$a.
Infrastructure and a clear way forward which supports #aviation rather than the very obvious examples of negativity: #casa, Canberra Airport, Goulburn Airport, YSBK, YPJT, YMMN, YBPF and on and on.
Here is the complete Dick Smith Oration with slides separated.
Infrastructure and a clear way forward which supports #aviation rather than the very obvious examples of negativity: #casa, Canberra Airport, Goulburn Airport, YSBK, YPJT, YMMN, YBPF and on and on.
Here is the complete Dick Smith Oration with slides separated.
You are correct, Wren. It’s just one of many tactics pollies use to justify doing nothing.
Unless Dick uses his profile to threaten the cosy major party duopoly, nothing with change. Dick has to either publicly campaign for a vote against all major party candidates (and mean it) or get the support of a critical mass of cross-bench Senators.
And he has to stop listening to them whenevever their lips are moving.
The only thing that counts is actions, not words. Reviews are not actions: They are stalling tactics. Inquiries are not actions: They are stalling tactics. Senate Committee hearings are political pantomime.
Amending legislation is action. Funding airport infrastructure is action. Enforcing airport leases and, if necessary, varying them so that airports remain airports, is action. Terminating the 457 visa scheme for pilots is action. Terminating the regulatory ‘reform’ program and sacking the self-licking icecream of people working on it is action. Terminating the endless fiddling and speculation on airspace and frequency arrangements is action.
Whatever the list of actions happen to be, Dick has to continue to use his public profile to threaten the cosy major party duopoloy until the actions have occurred and not before.
Unless Dick uses his profile to threaten the cosy major party duopoly, nothing with change. Dick has to either publicly campaign for a vote against all major party candidates (and mean it) or get the support of a critical mass of cross-bench Senators.
And he has to stop listening to them whenevever their lips are moving.
The only thing that counts is actions, not words. Reviews are not actions: They are stalling tactics. Inquiries are not actions: They are stalling tactics. Senate Committee hearings are political pantomime.
Amending legislation is action. Funding airport infrastructure is action. Enforcing airport leases and, if necessary, varying them so that airports remain airports, is action. Terminating the 457 visa scheme for pilots is action. Terminating the regulatory ‘reform’ program and sacking the self-licking icecream of people working on it is action. Terminating the endless fiddling and speculation on airspace and frequency arrangements is action.
Whatever the list of actions happen to be, Dick has to continue to use his public profile to threaten the cosy major party duopoloy until the actions have occurred and not before.
Unless Dick uses his profile to threaten the cosy major party duopoly, nothing with change. Dick has to either publicly campaign for a vote against all major party candidates (and mean it) or get the support of a critical mass of cross-bench Senators.
And he has to stop listening to them whenevever their lips are moving.
Whatever the list of actions happen to be, Dick has to continue to use his public profile to threaten the cosy major party duopoloy until the actions have occurred and not before.
LB agree the main points but as a lot of us are well into our seventies, DS and self for two, it needs to be said that we should not and can not put such an obligation on one person. With respect to say that one person is the only hope, well could that be changed to say that if DS puts his considerable profile to the cause then we will grateful of course.
Dick Smith has already spent much energy and money far more than most that I can see. He is under no obligation any more than the rest of us.
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LB agree the main points but as a lot of us are well into our seventies, DS and self for two, it needs to be said that we should not and can not put such an obligation on one person. With respect to say that one person is the only hope, well could that be changed to say that if DS puts his considerable profile to the cause then we will grateful of course.
Dick Smith has already spent much energy and money far more than most that I can see. He is under no obligation any more than the rest of us.
Think your real call Wren, is for everyone involved, no matter in what area of #aviation, to:
"Step up to the Plate - NOW"
They don’t care about us, wren. It doesn’t matter if we all step up to the plate, advo. They don’t care about the rabble of aviators and alphabet soup organisations who’ve been beating their chests and making submissions and complaining for decades.
They care about themselves. That’s why they care about Dick’s popularity among ordinary voters. Dick has the power to influence sufficient votes to make or break a candidate or party.
That happens to be the most efficient and effective way to achieve change.
They care about themselves. That’s why they care about Dick’s popularity among ordinary voters. Dick has the power to influence sufficient votes to make or break a candidate or party.
That happens to be the most efficient and effective way to achieve change.
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They don’t care about us, wren. It doesn’t matter if we all step up to the plate, advo. They don’t care about the rabble of aviators and alphabet soup organisations who’ve been beating their chests and making submissions and complaining for decades.
They care about themselves. That’s why they care about Dick’s popularity among ordinary voters. Dick has the power to influence sufficient votes to make or break a candidate or party.
That happens to be the most efficient and effective way to achieve change.
They care about themselves. That’s why they care about Dick’s popularity among ordinary voters. Dick has the power to influence sufficient votes to make or break a candidate or party.
That happens to be the most efficient and effective way to achieve change.
A candidate and office for McC’s seat to set up now in WW
Political action has always been the main road to effect change. All the insults and hurling abuse at CASA (perfectly understandable) has probably produced some minor pull backs, but as we can see clearly now, it has not and will never be instrumental in effecting real reforms. The CASA jobs are too cushy, the salaries so high and the path to completely fire-proof itself with ever more extraordinary rules, disregarding any semblance of fairness or economic realities, makes perfect sense. It will continue on this path until a Minister is induced to step in and do his duty.
Therefore political action on the head of power, Parliament, is obviously the main route to take. Unswerving until, as LB states correctly, that actual change is legislated.
Therefore political action on the head of power, Parliament, is obviously the main route to take. Unswerving until, as LB states correctly, that actual change is legislated.
I think you will need a Royal Commission into CASA and/or the elite beneficiaries of the Airports Act to get anyone out of their comfort zone in Canberra. The only time I have ever seen a minister jump to attention over something aviation related was when "Mandamus" was mentioned, but that's not really appropriate in this case, or is it?
A writ mandamus
I think you will need a Royal Commission into CASA and/or the elite beneficiaries of the Airports Act to get anyone out of their comfort zone in Canberra. The only time I have ever seen a minister jump to attention over something aviation related was when "Mandamus" was mentioned, but that's not really appropriate in this case, or is it?
Way back when in Victoria my family employed such a writ to cause an official to register land titles.
Doubtful that it would succeed here as being not a definite procedure to enforce, but if accepted to trial would create great publicity and possibly goad the toad to a leap into action. Bush lawyer advice only. A definition from online follows.
- an extraordinary writ commanding an official to perform a ministerial act that the law recognizes as an absolute duty and not a matter for the official's discretion; used only when all other judicial remedies fail
