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Whats's Happened to Aviation Advertiser

Old 30th Apr 2018, 23:48
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Whats's Happened to Aviation Advertiser

The site hasn't worked for over a week, what's wrong?
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Old 1st May 2018, 02:19
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I noticed a few changes of late. The owner told me a year back it was about to get a major upgrade to the code. Then it went down for a while because someone was hacking it via a Denial Of Service attack to which they had to install DDOS checking, then I noticed that the main phone number for contact became the owners mobile, then scamming adverts appeared, then someone got scammed and was publicly complaining and then the site disappeared.
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Old 1st May 2018, 07:10
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It's been offline for 2 weeks. It hasn't been upgraded for years. The paying customers, if there's any left, would be less than impressed..
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Old 1st May 2018, 13:03
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The site is online. Apologies guys, I have been that busy with AOPA Australia activities that I have not been paying enough attention to the server.

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Old 22nd Jun 2018, 15:14
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How's about an explanation as to why the Executive Director's aviation classifieds business is the exclusive classified service on the AOPA website. Is this a conflict of interest?
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Old 23rd Jun 2018, 01:08
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Even more so.. site is down yet again, but the billing system keeps on charging. Messages to the facebook page are ignored, and surprise surprise the email address is bouncing.
We will be pulling our advertising as soon as possible and going elsewhere.. its a joke
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Old 23rd Jun 2018, 06:47
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As I understand it and whilst it may not be the case here, taking payment without providing a service would be unlawful under Australian Consumer Law. Respective state Fair Trading offices would know more.
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Old 23rd Jun 2018, 08:29
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In the owners defence, many of the sites initial problems were allegedly caused by a deeply misguided individual, by way of a denial of service style attack on the site. Shame on that person should that allegation be true. I read it perhaps a year back somewhere and I do not know who it was. As a result DOS protection was added to the site like it has been here on PPRuNe for presumably similar reasons.

Nulli - does that mean my wife doesn't have to give 4 weeks notice and pay for 4 weeks to cancel her gym classes even though she's not in a contract and not attending?
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Old 23rd Jun 2018, 10:39
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Nulli - does that mean my wife doesn't have to give 4 weeks notice and pay for 4 weeks to cancel her gym classes even though she's not in a contract and not attending?

Without thread drifting too much....... are you sure there is no contract in place? If they provide her a service and she pays an agreed fee, you'd have to say there's a contract (offer, acceptance, consideration). If there has been a written contract, the initial term of which may have even expired, the terms would more than likely have been written such that the terms of the contract continue until termination is executed by either party. 4 weeks notice/ payment wouldn't be considered contracting out the Australian Consumer Law and would not be considered an unfair term. Sorry, not attending has no bearing.
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Old 23rd Jun 2018, 14:34
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They call it a "rolling agreement," there was a 6 month contract, long since expired and the T&C's say 4 weeks notice is required to end the membership.
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Old 23rd Jun 2018, 15:02
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Originally Posted by Nulli Secundus View Post
How's about an explanation as to why the Executive Director's aviation classifieds business is the exclusive classified service on the AOPA website. Is this a conflict of interest?
Of course not! I reckon it's simply a confluence of opportunism.
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Old 27th Jun 2018, 04:04
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Should not the AOPA give equal exposure to the Aviation Trader, Plane Sales et al websites on the AOPA page rather than exclusively position the Executive Director's classifieds business? Does Aviation Advertiser pay AOPA to be positioned on the AOPA website?


The site is online. Apologies guys, I have been that busy with AOPA Australia activities that I have not been paying enough attention to the server.
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Would it not be better that the AOPA 'handle' not be used to respond to discussions regarding private businesses?
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 10:51
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Isn't it about time that the AOPA website hosts all Australian aviation online classifieds. Currently just the Executive Director's website is hosted.

Does Aviation Advertiser pay a fee to be hosted on the AOPA website and if so, shouldn't this also be offered to other businesses?
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 11:23
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here bloody here how strange the lack of accord
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 23:23
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Sorry to drag up an old thread as my first post but I was just Googling Aviation Advertiser having had some recent troubles myself and this came up.

So after trying to contact Aviation Advertiser multiple times to cancel an ad I have resorted to stopping payments with my bank and doing a charge back. I got the notice this morning that it has all been sorted and finally I am free of this scam site. During the past couple of weeks all I have gotten is errors, no returned calls, credit card charges, nothing via Facebook and blanks stares from the AOPA board when I question why they are still promoting this website. It seems to me that AOPA has become some sort of platform for Ben and whatever he wants to do rather than what is best for the industry.

I have done a little research and found that despite AOPA still promoting the website it looks as though the business (Aviation Advertiser) has been deregistered.

Is this the guy we really want running the show at AOPA?
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Old 8th Oct 2018, 21:19
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Oh dear. That might explain a lot.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 12:28
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Has Aviation Advertiser stopped? Are they still taking other peoples' money for ads that don't exist?
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 21:52
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If there is a response on this website from the site owner, the board of AOPA must insist it is not associated with, or facilitated by, its 'handle'. They should be across these things and I imagine it would be written in a code of conduct/ office holder rules etc. that personal business and AOPA business are to remain very separate things.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 22:00
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AOPA, dead in the water.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 22:35
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
AOPA, dead in the water.
Sunfish,
On the contrary, the membership is steadily increasing, quite a feat, given all the circumstances, and the finances are sound.
Tootle pip!!
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