Nauru Airlines pressurisation problem twice.
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Nauru Airlines pressurisation problem twice.
Nauru Airlines pressurisation problems
Incident: Nauru B733 near Brisbane on Apr 10th 2018, loss of cabin pressure
ATSB to investigate. Should get a result within three years?
Incident: Nauru B733 near Brisbane on Apr 10th 2018, loss of cabin pressure
ATSB to investigate. Should get a result within three years?
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Maybe same pilots flying it that flew the 300 foot NDB at 3 miles . Let Nauru Air Chief Pilot know the pressurization control is on the overhead panel, switch it to " MANUAL" and close the valve next time, let the crew know......
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Oh, and get the name of the airline correct next time.
Your hatred is showing through, Nick.
p.s. Going to "MANUAL" can close the outflow valve. All good if that is where the leak is, but if it isn't ..?
Of course, you know the circumstances - very astute fellow when no-one else outside the company does.
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You have the name wrong again ... again.
Doubt a leak unless the door was open maybe finger trouble, if it was windy the cockpit window was open..... Maybe get one of those old crappy 727s type like the operator of which you Nauruan guys speak in prior posts, has a flight engineer who can work the switches and 100% dispatch.Nice planes not a 4 Holer but next best thing 3 will do the job...
I looked up the DC3 that is always mentioned, I see nice job presume the crew are hero's in Australia like Capt Sully on the Hudson here in USA ? Lets see how you would go if the need arises in the Middle of the Pacific one day in the old B733. Engine change Nadi, metal in filters, not wise to throw stones ???? Maybe QF can do your B733 maintenance again, so its non disputable and carried out 100% like the old Air Nauru days.At least you would save money on all these air returns and engine changes.
Doubt a leak unless the door was open maybe finger trouble, if it was windy the cockpit window was open..... Maybe get one of those old crappy 727s type like the operator of which you Nauruan guys speak in prior posts, has a flight engineer who can work the switches and 100% dispatch.Nice planes not a 4 Holer but next best thing 3 will do the job...
I looked up the DC3 that is always mentioned, I see nice job presume the crew are hero's in Australia like Capt Sully on the Hudson here in USA ? Lets see how you would go if the need arises in the Middle of the Pacific one day in the old B733. Engine change Nadi, metal in filters, not wise to throw stones ???? Maybe QF can do your B733 maintenance again, so its non disputable and carried out 100% like the old Air Nauru days.At least you would save money on all these air returns and engine changes.
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[QUOTE= You have the name wrong again ... again. [/QUOTE]
Don't think so, unless you lied to me when we crossed paths in Miami a few years ago.
Any reference to the skills of Sully and the outcome for VH-EDC are somewhat fanciful considering (directly from the ATSB Report):-
- The inability of the handling pilot (co-pilot) to obtain optimum asymmetric performance from the aircraft was the culminating factor in a combination of local and organisational factors that led to this accident.
- lack of skill of the handling pilot.
- poor operational procedures
- The co-pilot advised that he was unable to remember his activities during the 72 hours prior to the accident
- The co-pilot’s licence was endorsed with a DC-3 type rating, following his representation to the CAA that he had completed DC-3 pilot in command endorsement training. The investigation found no evidence to establish that the co-pilot had actually completed the required training.
- The flying experience recorded in the co-pilot’s logbook, which was used to substantiate his application for a DC-3 type rating, was insufficient to qualify the pilot for the rating.
- The co-pilot claimed to have completed DC-3 endorsement training in the USA. The FAA advised that the co-pilot had not applied for, nor had he been granted, a DC-3 type endorsement by the FAA.
- This was evidenced by the co-pilot in this accident holding an aircraft rating, the qualifications for which could not be substantiated, and there being no record of the operator having ensured that flight crew members had completed the check and training required by the CAA standards.
- In summary, the evidence suggests that the three significant factors leading to degraded aircraft performance were: the aircraft’s gross weight, the crew’s lack of understanding of the single-engine performance capability when operating at high gross weight, and the effect of the co- pilot’s handling on the aircraft’s climb capability.
I seriously doubt Sully has any of thes attributes - but you wouldn't lie, would you? (ROFL).
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Don't think so, unless you lied to me when we crossed paths in Miami a few years ago.
Any reference to the skills of Sully and the outcome for VH-EDC are somewhat fanciful considering (directly from the ATSB Report):-
- The inability of the handling pilot (co-pilot) to obtain optimum asymmetric performance from the aircraft was the culminating factor in a combination of local and organisational factors that led to this accident.
- lack of skill of the handling pilot.
- poor operational procedures
- The co-pilot advised that he was unable to remember his activities during the 72 hours prior to the accident
- The co-pilot’s licence was endorsed with a DC-3 type rating, following his representation to the CAA that he had completed DC-3 pilot in command endorsement training. The investigation found no evidence to establish that the co-pilot had actually completed the required training.
- The flying experience recorded in the co-pilot’s logbook, which was used to substantiate his application for a DC-3 type rating, was insufficient to qualify the pilot for the rating.
- The co-pilot claimed to have completed DC-3 endorsement training in the USA. The FAA advised that the co-pilot had not applied for, nor had he been granted, a DC-3 type endorsement by the FAA.
- This was evidenced by the co-pilot in this accident holding an aircraft rating, the qualifications for which could not be substantiated, and there being no record of the operator having ensured that flight crew members had completed the check and training required by the CAA standards.
- In summary, the evidence suggests that the three significant factors leading to degraded aircraft performance were: the aircraft’s gross weight, the crew’s lack of understanding of the single-engine performance capability when operating at high gross weight, and the effect of the co- pilot’s handling on the aircraft’s climb capability.
I seriously doubt Sully has any of thes attributes - but you wouldn't lie, would you? (ROFL).
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Read up on your FARs no F/O type ratings on licenses back in the day logbook entry from FAA135 or 121 Operator.
Sully would love it 25 years earlier.
Hey next time before you get scared and hit the panic button the Pressurization panel is overhead switch to manual and close valve before giving yourself an underwear change. If you really did circle Brisbane to burn fuel for 2-2.5 hours think like us yanks, go drop the cargo in Port Moresby at 10,000 feet.... job done customer happy scenic flight NICE.
Sully would love it 25 years earlier.
Hey next time before you get scared and hit the panic button the Pressurization panel is overhead switch to manual and close valve before giving yourself an underwear change. If you really did circle Brisbane to burn fuel for 2-2.5 hours think like us yanks, go drop the cargo in Port Moresby at 10,000 feet.... job done customer happy scenic flight NICE.
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Doesn't seem to equate with "The investigation found no evidence to establish that the co-pilot had actually completed the required training." You would think the latter (i.e. DC-3 command endorsement training, assuming a pass) would require some substantiation.
"think like us yanks". God, forbid!! Besides, you're only a "wannabe Yank".
"Sully would love it 25 years earlier." What a weird statement.
You don't know the circumstances so, until you do, try and keep your anger and resentment under control.
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Rather than press on putting profit first.
Maybe the customer is happier with a safe rather than dodgy operation?
P.S didn't know the 737 could do cargo drops at 10,000ft...
Folks,
Re. the sad demise of the C-47/DC-3 VH-EDC.
The aeroplane would not have continued flight with Pontius the Pilot as the Captain.
The prop. on the failed engine was assembled incorrectly at its last overhaul, and would not feather.
In my opinion, the PIC did a good job in pulling of the ditching he did, with no loss of life or serious injuries.
Tootle pip!!
PS: "Back in the day", I did my endorsement check ride in EDC, my first endorsement on an aircraft over 12,500 lbs. Hence a bit of a soft spot.
Re. the sad demise of the C-47/DC-3 VH-EDC.
The aeroplane would not have continued flight with Pontius the Pilot as the Captain.
The prop. on the failed engine was assembled incorrectly at its last overhaul, and would not feather.
In my opinion, the PIC did a good job in pulling of the ditching he did, with no loss of life or serious injuries.
Tootle pip!!
PS: "Back in the day", I did my endorsement check ride in EDC, my first endorsement on an aircraft over 12,500 lbs. Hence a bit of a soft spot.
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"The prop. on the failed engine was assembled incorrectly at its last overhaul, and would not feather."
That being the case, maybe 4 Holer should have followed his own advice and had QF do his maintenance where "its non disputable and carried out 100%."
That being the case, maybe 4 Holer should have followed his own advice and had QF do his maintenance where "its non disputable and carried out 100%."
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If Nauru closes you can go fly a big plane in the land of the free for your boy... he bought some bigger toys, I see living the American dream. Amazing SkyLease Cargo
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"Your Boy" The Aussie I believe is sitting over in his office at Cargo City at Miami International Airport with a bunch of his " HeavyJets"
He is Welcome in Trumps America.
He is Welcome in Trumps America.
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You appear to be concerned about the welfare of others on another thread but bag them here. Hypocrite springs to mind.
And, no, I would prefer not to work flying overloaded aeroplanes nor work for a boss who has scant regard for the rules.
If “your boy” is doing so well, maybe he could attend some classes to pick up on his grammar.
And, no, I would prefer not to work flying overloaded aeroplanes nor work for a boss who has scant regard for the rules.
If “your boy” is doing so well, maybe he could attend some classes to pick up on his grammar.
Thread drift but 4 Holes started it. The day they dropped EDC into the drink the gods were smiling on them. Had the donk quit an hour later, over open sea, the inevitable ditching would unlikely have been the happy event it was in the tranquil waters of Botany Bay. And had both engines got them as far as LHI, given the handling expertise on display that day, and the weight of that old DC3, if it did not crash on landing, getting it airborne again in its overloaded state would have been quite something. And had they somehow got it airborne and then had that engine failure....hmmm.
They were not familiar with LHI, or if they were they were supreme optimists. It can be challenging for experienced pilots in a true performer like a Dash 8. For a pair of Clayton’s Captains in a Gooney Bird....?
They were not familiar with LHI, or if they were they were supreme optimists. It can be challenging for experienced pilots in a true performer like a Dash 8. For a pair of Clayton’s Captains in a Gooney Bird....?
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MEA,I read the report two Claytons Captains controlled ditched the DC3 with 24 pax/ crew got out and rowed away not a bad effort on the day. I see the professional pilots ( and crew/pax ) who crashed the KingAir Air Ambulance into the sea wall in the same SYD spot trying to turn around were not as fortunate.
Like I said give them a pat on the back for the effort. There just like our Sully, but I think Sully got a ride on a ferry boat.
Like I said give them a pat on the back for the effort. There just like our Sully, but I think Sully got a ride on a ferry boat.
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