Stupidist radio call
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Originally Posted by AmarokGTI
I’m a Captain at R something x and I don’t do it, nor does any FO that I have ever flown with. If they did I would be using my best CRM skills to make the point that it’s not correct.
He “taxis” here, he “backtracks” there and “turns” everywhere, but nary an “ing” to be heard.
More fun stuff heard from other aircraft:
“Centre this is ABC. May we please make a request.” (Good manners are so rare these days.)
A couple of times from different pilots at different places: “Urbanville traffic ABC is inbound 15 miles South of the field.” But for the “of the field” I wouldn’t have known where the traffic was!
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Originally Posted by Lookleft
Heard everyday on all Australian airports and radio frequencies, pilots reading back verbatim what ATC have instructed them to do. A clearance is required to be read back, an instruction just needs to be acknowledged with the call sign.
Methinks you need to brush up on AIP GEN 3.4-13 4.4.1
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Good morning lads!
As a passenger flying to the UK, I was delighted to listen in to the following conversation:
Captain of American jet also heading East across the briny Atlantic
"Request direct from Aberdeen to LHR approach" .
ATC, in reply, "negative, that will take you through a danger zone"
To which somebody else on frequency couldn't resist transmitting "Go for it!"
Long radio silence followed while all listeners were enjoying the moment.....
Captain of American jet also heading East across the briny Atlantic
"Request direct from Aberdeen to LHR approach" .
ATC, in reply, "negative, that will take you through a danger zone"
To which somebody else on frequency couldn't resist transmitting "Go for it!"
Long radio silence followed while all listeners were enjoying the moment.....
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Methinks you need to brush up on AIP GEN 3.4-13 4.4.1
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
You need to CRM your colleagues who crewed Rex 469 into YNAR and YGTH at around 4pm local this afternoon.
He “taxis” here, he “backtracks” there and “turns” everywhere, but nary an “ing” to be heard.
More fun stuff heard from other aircraft:
“Centre this is ABC. May we please make a request.” (Good manners are so rare these days.)
A couple of times from different pilots at different places: “Urbanville traffic ABC is inbound 15 miles South of the field.” But for the “of the field” I wouldn’t have known where the traffic was!
He “taxis” here, he “backtracks” there and “turns” everywhere, but nary an “ing” to be heard.
More fun stuff heard from other aircraft:
“Centre this is ABC. May we please make a request.” (Good manners are so rare these days.)
A couple of times from different pilots at different places: “Urbanville traffic ABC is inbound 15 miles South of the field.” But for the “of the field” I wouldn’t have known where the traffic was!
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Originally Posted by Lookleft
I use Jepps fuji and the relevant section is State Rules and Procedures Australia communication Sect 6 RADIOTELEPHONY PROCEDURES sub section 6.3 READBACK REQUIREMENTS 6.3.1, very specific about what is required as a readback. An expectation of a clearance is not required to be read back so an expectation of an approach does not require a full readback. You just acknowledge with your callsign. Any other instruction that does not require a readback only requires your callsign as I stated previously. "Cancel speed requirement if desired" is not a clearance so does not need to be readback. "Cancel all speed requirements maintain maximum speed above and below one zero thousand" is a clearance so therefore needs to be readback. Its not that hard but for a lot of pilots operating in Australia it seems to be beyond their ability to understand.
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
You need to CRM your colleagues who crewed Rex 469 into YNAR and YGTH at around 4pm local this afternoon.
He “taxis” here, he “backtracks” there and “turns” everywhere, but nary an “ing” to be heard.
He “taxis” here, he “backtracks” there and “turns” everywhere, but nary an “ing” to be heard.
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Originally Posted by gerry111
I heard REX 469 in the vicinity of YGTH this afternoon and confirm Lead Balloon's comments. What really surprised me was that someone activated the PAL there around 4pm despite the bucket loads of visibility. (I was at 9500'.) Was that REX 469?
Edit: before anyone says that we should be able to fly without them - we have plenty of ports in the network where we have to fly without them because they aren’t installed.
Last edited by AmarokGTI; 30th Mar 2018 at 15:02. Reason: Extra Info
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Originally Posted by AmarokGTI
Not familiar with today’s weather in that area but even in day VMC we will active PAPI/VASI if it’s available. Silly not to.
Edit: before anyone says that we should be able to fly without them - we have plenty of ports in the network where we have to fly without them because they aren’t installed.
Edit: before anyone says that we should be able to fly without them - we have plenty of ports in the network where we have to fly without them because they aren’t installed.
Check Attitude
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stupidest !
the word is stupidest, as in smartest, quickest, slowest, the "est" suffix indicates the superlative (or "most").
the suffix "ist" denotes a practitioner, follower etc of an activity, trade, belief.
thus we have dentist, socialist, flautist, violinist, plagiarist, egotist,
so perhaps stupidist is one aspiring to stupidity
sorry folks, I gave up waiting for the spelling police on this.
the word is stupidest, as in smartest, quickest, slowest, the "est" suffix indicates the superlative (or "most").
the suffix "ist" denotes a practitioner, follower etc of an activity, trade, belief.
thus we have dentist, socialist, flautist, violinist, plagiarist, egotist,
so perhaps stupidist is one aspiring to stupidity
sorry folks, I gave up waiting for the spelling police on this.
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You are reinforcing my point Fujii that many pilots do not understand what needs to be readback and what just needs an acknowledgment.
level instructions, direction of turn, heading and speed instructions all require a readback.
Do you want to expand on what etc means?
level instructions, direction of turn, heading and speed instructions all require a readback.
go around, etc are not clearances but require a readback.
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Originally Posted by Lookleft
You are reinforcing my point Fujii that many pilots do not understand what needs to be readback and what just needs an acknowledgment.
level instructions, direction of turn, heading and speed instructions all require a readback.
Do you want to expand on what etc means?
level instructions, direction of turn, heading and speed instructions all require a readback.
Do you want to expand on what etc means?
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Originally Posted by oicur12.again
Not a radio call but a headset comment from cockpit to ground.
"Two good starts, cleared to disconnect "
WTF are bad starts in a modern jet and does the engineer give a rats?
"Two good starts, cleared to disconnect "
WTF are bad starts in a modern jet and does the engineer give a rats?
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"Agreed. If PAPIs are installed you'd be an idiot not to activate them."
Pull your head in Aerocat. Just because you can't fly a 3 degree profile on final without the aid of a VASI on a cavok day doesn't mean the rest of us are IDIOTS because we can. Put em on if you want, but if I can look out the window and fly down to the runway nicely, that doesn't make me or anyone else an idiot.
Pull your head in Aerocat. Just because you can't fly a 3 degree profile on final without the aid of a VASI on a cavok day doesn't mean the rest of us are IDIOTS because we can. Put em on if you want, but if I can look out the window and fly down to the runway nicely, that doesn't make me or anyone else an idiot.
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Etc, just more items requiring a readback that are not clearances.
Heard everyday on all Australian airports and radio frequencies, pilots reading back verbatim what ATC have instructed them to do.
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Years ago I was given a "clear to land check wheels" in a Piper Tomahawk at a RAAF base.
RAAF aircraft had a 'beep' system so ATC could get an additional confirmation of wheels down.
I responded "clear to land, check wheels" and made a long "beep" sound.
Tower laughed.
RAAF aircraft had a 'beep' system so ATC could get an additional confirmation of wheels down.
I responded "clear to land, check wheels" and made a long "beep" sound.
Tower laughed.
