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I suggest triple mandatory mbzs. And huge ginormous fines for non compliance.
And at every piece of land that any aircraft can land upon. I would say 50 nm radius to FL 500. No pussy footing around.
You can’t put a price on safety
And at every piece of land that any aircraft can land upon. I would say 50 nm radius to FL 500. No pussy footing around.
You can’t put a price on safety
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Simple - government funded ADSB-out and in. Via Bluetooth. Everything is on your screen - just glance at it - anything look a bit funky? Get on the radio and arrange proactive separation or take proactive action.
It really isn't that hard (or expensive).
It really isn't that hard (or expensive).
For your 'bunion' LB.....
And before MBZ'z.... there was 'DBZ'.
'Discrete Broadcast Zone'.
Yes. That's right folks ...'DBZ'......The Very First One in OZ.
And, possibly, the ONLY one.
Created in the Pilbara (WA) roughly between Tom Price / Paraburdoo and Newman.
The theory was to get aircraft off the then congested FS freqs of the Pilbara
'of the day', (Mining BOOM!) and talk to each other - on the dedicated DBZ freq.
No, I can't remember what it was. Or even WHEN it WAS....
Does it matter?
Once an aircraft said he/she (not too many 'she' in those days... another thread) said 'changing to DBZ', we did not have to give traffic in the 'Zone' - as far as I can remember.....They gave 'All Stations' and sorted it out themselves.
However, the 'old' ways of 'Duty Of Care' remained in the minds of many a FSO, and not a great deal actually changed...sometimes.
(We were a 'dedicated' bunch)
Now 'desicated'......
Possibly the 'forerunner' of MBZ, CTAF, Mickey Mouse etc....
I just can't be bothered keeping up with these 'silly' acronyms these days.
('Bah Humbug!')
Cheers.....
p.s. Tks again Dick for .....)
And before MBZ'z.... there was 'DBZ'.
'Discrete Broadcast Zone'.
Yes. That's right folks ...'DBZ'......The Very First One in OZ.
And, possibly, the ONLY one.
Created in the Pilbara (WA) roughly between Tom Price / Paraburdoo and Newman.
The theory was to get aircraft off the then congested FS freqs of the Pilbara
'of the day', (Mining BOOM!) and talk to each other - on the dedicated DBZ freq.
No, I can't remember what it was. Or even WHEN it WAS....
Does it matter?
Once an aircraft said he/she (not too many 'she' in those days... another thread) said 'changing to DBZ', we did not have to give traffic in the 'Zone' - as far as I can remember.....They gave 'All Stations' and sorted it out themselves.
However, the 'old' ways of 'Duty Of Care' remained in the minds of many a FSO, and not a great deal actually changed...sometimes.
(We were a 'dedicated' bunch)
Now 'desicated'......
Possibly the 'forerunner' of MBZ, CTAF, Mickey Mouse etc....
I just can't be bothered keeping up with these 'silly' acronyms these days.
('Bah Humbug!')
Cheers.....
p.s. Tks again Dick for .....)
Hi Dick,
Re 'Port Headland' - I really don't like doing this, but if its good for simply explaining why 'Hedland' is spelled the way it is, then here we go....
"Swedish-born mariner Peter Hedland was the first European to note the harbour's existence and the possibility of using it as a port. Peter Hedland arrived in the area in April 1863 onboard his boat, Mystery that he had built himself at Point Walter on the banks of the Swan River. He named the harbour Mangrove Harbour and reported that it would make a good landing site with a well protected harbour and that there was also fresh water available. However, the port was initially regarded as unusable, due to a sandbar that frequently sealed the entrance, thick mangroves round the shore and the narrow entrance made the harbour difficult to enter in bad weather.[8]"
All very 'flat' and no headland in sight......
Just Sayin' is all...... Cheers
Re 'Port Headland' - I really don't like doing this, but if its good for simply explaining why 'Hedland' is spelled the way it is, then here we go....
"Swedish-born mariner Peter Hedland was the first European to note the harbour's existence and the possibility of using it as a port. Peter Hedland arrived in the area in April 1863 onboard his boat, Mystery that he had built himself at Point Walter on the banks of the Swan River. He named the harbour Mangrove Harbour and reported that it would make a good landing site with a well protected harbour and that there was also fresh water available. However, the port was initially regarded as unusable, due to a sandbar that frequently sealed the entrance, thick mangroves round the shore and the narrow entrance made the harbour difficult to enter in bad weather.[8]"
All very 'flat' and no headland in sight......
Just Sayin' is all...... Cheers
Maybe they’ll turn e.g. Mildura, Wagga and Dubbo (back) into AFIZs and you can get an AFIS gig, Griffo! Then Dick could get them all turned (back) into plain old CTAF aerodromes - perhaps with a transition period as MBZs for old times’ sake - and you could get another redundo!
Folks,
I have just had the most amazing idea, to solve the problem!! An infinite size!!
We should establish the AATAF (pronounced AAAAHHHHTAF like a sneeze) the Australian Aviation Traffic Advisory Frequency.
It could be used everywhere except A.B,C,D and E airspace.
It could just use one frequency, say something like 126.7.
If there is anywhere there is enough AAT (Australian aviation traffic, an increasing rarity --- how's that, an increasing decrease, like GA is increasingly growing negatively ??) it would become a LAATAF (Local AAT) (pronounced LLLLAAAHHHTAF like an even bigger sneeze)
Then you would have a discrete frequency, to be found on "appropriate" charts or the ERSA.
Whichever could be used at the discretion of the pilot in command if he/she/it/cisgender pronoun of choice, based on a brief set of common sense recommendation, it is their belief it would contribute to risk reduction for operations in the vicinity ( as per ICAO definition of vicinity).
There would no need for exemption, concessions or variations, because it would only apply to aircraft with a serviceable VHF radio fitted and operated by a suitably qualified per***.
Tootle pip!!
I have just had the most amazing idea, to solve the problem!! An infinite size!!
We should establish the AATAF (pronounced AAAAHHHHTAF like a sneeze) the Australian Aviation Traffic Advisory Frequency.
It could be used everywhere except A.B,C,D and E airspace.
It could just use one frequency, say something like 126.7.
If there is anywhere there is enough AAT (Australian aviation traffic, an increasing rarity --- how's that, an increasing decrease, like GA is increasingly growing negatively ??) it would become a LAATAF (Local AAT) (pronounced LLLLAAAHHHTAF like an even bigger sneeze)
Then you would have a discrete frequency, to be found on "appropriate" charts or the ERSA.
Whichever could be used at the discretion of the pilot in command if he/she/it/cisgender pronoun of choice, based on a brief set of common sense recommendation, it is their belief it would contribute to risk reduction for operations in the vicinity ( as per ICAO definition of vicinity).
There would no need for exemption, concessions or variations, because it would only apply to aircraft with a serviceable VHF radio fitted and operated by a suitably qualified per***.
Tootle pip!!
Last edited by LeadSled; 22nd Mar 2018 at 05:24.
Dangly bits,
I am a little disappointed the proponents of the "BIG CTAF" haven't jumped at my suggestion, a CTAF that covers almost one fifth of Mother Earth, isn't that the airspace Airservices claims to "control".
You can't get much bigger than that??
Tootle pip!!
I am a little disappointed the proponents of the "BIG CTAF" haven't jumped at my suggestion, a CTAF that covers almost one fifth of Mother Earth, isn't that the airspace Airservices claims to "control".
You can't get much bigger than that??
Tootle pip!!
Put all the CA$A managers into an aircraft, and fly them over the Hunter Valley to look at the open cut coal mines.
They can't tell their @rseholes from a hole in the ground, but at least they would then know what a hole in the ground looks like.
They can't tell their @rseholes from a hole in the ground, but at least they would then know what a hole in the ground looks like.
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Leadsled,
I fly every year in the USA on the west coast and I have found it to be way more simple to operate in their airspace than ours. Going in to Chino once I was given, "You are number 7, cleared to land"! Chino is a Class D like any in Australia.
DB
I fly every year in the USA on the west coast and I have found it to be way more simple to operate in their airspace than ours. Going in to Chino once I was given, "You are number 7, cleared to land"! Chino is a Class D like any in Australia.
DB
Dangly Bits,
Interesting you should mention Chino, my favorite spot in the LA basin. Particularly Flo's Airport Cafe, don't know who made it for them, but best apple cobbler around. Even if their coffee was crook. My 60th was hangar party at Chino, what a night that was!!
Now back to the thread, sadly, Australian Class D is not like US D.
It was several CASA Directors back that our capital city (and a few others) secondary airports operating conditions were stuffed up.
We had the US weather conditions for VFR in Class D changed to "harmonize with ICAO", resulting in what we have now, Bankstown (and presumably others) closed to VFR when, under the old tried and tested VFR (US) conditions, it would have been open to VFR. For many years, there was no problem, until CASA created a problem.
CASA is quick enough to "harmonize" if it means greater restrictions and costs, but it is always a one -way ratchet.
Tootle pip!!
PS: I have had many somewhat similar landing clearances at KLAX, (or KJFK or KSFO) with something somewhat larger than you will ever see at Chino strapped to my backside ---- all works just fine.
Interesting you should mention Chino, my favorite spot in the LA basin. Particularly Flo's Airport Cafe, don't know who made it for them, but best apple cobbler around. Even if their coffee was crook. My 60th was hangar party at Chino, what a night that was!!
Now back to the thread, sadly, Australian Class D is not like US D.
It was several CASA Directors back that our capital city (and a few others) secondary airports operating conditions were stuffed up.
We had the US weather conditions for VFR in Class D changed to "harmonize with ICAO", resulting in what we have now, Bankstown (and presumably others) closed to VFR when, under the old tried and tested VFR (US) conditions, it would have been open to VFR. For many years, there was no problem, until CASA created a problem.
CASA is quick enough to "harmonize" if it means greater restrictions and costs, but it is always a one -way ratchet.
Tootle pip!!
PS: I have had many somewhat similar landing clearances at KLAX, (or KJFK or KSFO) with something somewhat larger than you will ever see at Chino strapped to my backside ---- all works just fine.
I have had many somewhat similar landing clearances at KLAX, (or KJFK or KSFO) with something somewhat larger than you will ever see at Chino strapped to my backside ---- all works just fine.
I was taught this mnemonic:
Broadcast
Long
And
Broadcast
Fast
Every
Single
Time
Broadcast
Long
And
Broadcast
Fast
Every
Single
Time
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Leadsled I was in Chino last year when they had the worst ever mass shooting in Vegas.
Capn Bloggs, I asked a very well known flying instructor over there, "But how can he do that?"
The answer is simple, you have been given traffic in front of you to follow, and when it is clear for you to land, you can land....simple. His work as a Class D ATC was complete.
Worked the very same way when I flew into Oakland in San Francisco in a VFR Duchess. No Radar to the ground, no flight plan, no notice. The only trouble we had was getting the controller to get our callsign right. Our thick Aussie Accent means that Echo sounds like every other letter except Echo!
Capn Bloggs, I asked a very well known flying instructor over there, "But how can he do that?"
The answer is simple, you have been given traffic in front of you to follow, and when it is clear for you to land, you can land....simple. His work as a Class D ATC was complete.
Worked the very same way when I flew into Oakland in San Francisco in a VFR Duchess. No Radar to the ground, no flight plan, no notice. The only trouble we had was getting the controller to get our callsign right. Our thick Aussie Accent means that Echo sounds like every other letter except Echo!
Bloggsie,
Strange as it probably seems to you, the Australian rules permit the same thing, if you give really careful scrutiny to what the regulations say, as opposed to what most assume they say.
Funnily (or strangely, take your pick) enough, the same thing happens at EGLL, possibly because ICAO says it can.
All applicable only in VMC conditions.
Tootle pip!!
PS: Dangly Bits, not limited to runways in D, equally B and C. You will find the criteria for a Visual Approach in the AIM.
Strange as it probably seems to you, the Australian rules permit the same thing, if you give really careful scrutiny to what the regulations say, as opposed to what most assume they say.
Funnily (or strangely, take your pick) enough, the same thing happens at EGLL, possibly because ICAO says it can.
All applicable only in VMC conditions.
Tootle pip!!
PS: Dangly Bits, not limited to runways in D, equally B and C. You will find the criteria for a Visual Approach in the AIM.
Last edited by LeadSled; 23rd Mar 2018 at 05:45. Reason: PS added.
What would the Yanks and the Poms know about controlling high volumes of air traffic?